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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:40 pm 
Excerpts from: " Fascist Ecology:
The "Green Wing" of the Nazi Party and its Historical Antecedents
Peter Staudenmaier" from this site:
http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germa ... peter.html
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"We recognize that separating humanity from nature, from the whole of life, leads to humankind’s own destruction and to the death of nations. Only through a re-integration of humanity into the whole of nature can our people be made stronger. That is the fundamental point of the biological tasks of our age. Humankind alone is no longer the focus of thought, but rather life as a whole . . . This striving toward connectedness with the totality of life, with nature itself, a nature into which we are born, this is the deepest meaning and the true essence of National Socialist thought."

The reactionary ecological ideas whose outlines are sketched above exerted a powerful and lasting influence on many of the central figures in the NSDAP. Weimar culture, after all, was fairly awash in such theories, but the Nazis gave them a peculiar inflection. The National Socialist "religion of nature," as one historian has described it, was a volatile admixture of primeval teutonic nature mysticism, pseudo-scientific ecology, irrationalist anti-humanism, and a mythology of racial salvation through a return to the land. Its predominant themes were 'natural order,' organicist holism and denigration of humanity: "Throughout the writings, not only of Hitler, but of most Nazi ideologues, one can discern a fundamental deprecation of humans vis-à-vis nature, and, as a logical corollary to this, an attack upon human efforts to master nature."25 Quoting a Nazi educator, the same source continues: "anthropocentric views in general had to be rejected. They would be valid only 'if it is assumed that nature has been created only for man. We decisively reject this attitude. According to our conception of nature, man is a link in the living chain of nature just as any other organism'."

Such arguments have a chilling currency within contemporary ecological discourse: the key to social-ecological harmony is ascertaining "the eternal laws of nature's processes" (Hitler) and organizing society to correspond to them. The Führer was particularly fond of stressing the "helplessness of humankind in the face of nature's everlasting law."27 Echoing Haeckel and the Monists, Mein Kampf announces: "When people attempt to rebel against the iron logic of nature, they come into conflict with the very same principles to which they owe their existence as human beings. Their actions against nature must lead to their own downfall."
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The Führer was particularly fond of stressing the "helplessness of humankind in the face of nature's everlasting law."27 Echoing Haeckel and the Monists, Mein Kampf announces: "When people attempt to rebel against the iron logic of nature, they come into conflict with the very same principles to which they owe their existence as human beings. Their actions against nature must lead to their own downfall."


I'm certainly no fan of Hitler, but he wasn't wrong when he wrote those particular lines. In this case, it's the messenger, not the message.
Hitler's opinion about nature, at least in this one instance, was spot-on.

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Great minds think alike, don't they Caty?


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Great minds think alike, don't they Caty?


Can you point out anything wrong with that statement? Or are you just flaming with no particular point other than noting the identity of the author.

Hitler was absolutely correct on this point. By polluting and changing our environment, we will not destroy the world. The Earth will be here for billions of years, no matter what we do. We will just be destroying ourselves.

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lol...shane...so, being an enviromentalist is like following hitler?

i love right wing thinking: they simply don't.


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You know I have a theory about that, vaporlock. Defective cooling mechanisms, if they try to think they overheat and just lock up. Not pretty. :roll: :wink:

But in a seriousness remove the Hitler association that taints it to general thinking and it could have come from any number of 19th century theorists. Moreover it has a very important core idea at the center, you don't mess in your den. We are dependent upon the natural systems proper and continued operation to maintain our current position. Like any peak predator because we are at the top we are less sensitive to minor tremors in the chains reaching up to us but even more vulnerable to larger changes.

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Great minds think alike, don't they Caty?



They do indeed, shane.

However, I'm sure you are aware that your mind just doesn't fit into the "great" category, especially after you've read the other very intelligent responses that have been posted in this thread.

Hitler wasn't stupid, and I think anyone who says he was is being very naive and/or showing their basic ignorance of history, as you so often do.

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lol...shane...so, being an enviromentalist is like following hitler?

i love right wing thinking: they simply don't.
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They don't think, but the wingers like shane can certainly talk themselves into corners. It's hilariously entertaining.

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Not that he does this very often but shame brings up an interesting point about belief here. The idea that no matter how extreme a person can be doesn't negate from the fact that they have truths spiced into their rhetoric. I mean, if it was all extremist meanderings then no one would follow their logic or philosophies. Hitler wasn't stupid and he was well aware of the nature/nurture arguments that people like Hobbes to Nietzsche echoed and clarified from ideas passed on from their pasts. That there are basic truths to life that can be used to expand upon policy, thought and ideals can be exemplified by all the political, philosophical, scientific and religious writings of the world.

Shame is an example of this as well, as he will believe whatever rhetoric his teachers have planted in his head. When you limit your history to all things American and the big 'C', then this is what you get. A narrow perspective on history and its progress. You end up with half a brain stuffed with garbage and the other half time worn anecdotes and complaints of the oppressed.

He may as well admit that he is extremely oppressed and powerless and so this is why he follows extremists and fringe candidates. This is his reason for coming here to try and give "Another Perspective" because this is the best it will get for him. He can rant and rave and flame on about his grasp on truth that has been presented to him while feeling that he is achieving a goal and purpose- his own lack of conscience and the filler for its absence- GREED. It makes him feel like he is OK if he can spice in a bit of lowbrow logic with his demands for more, while belittling and enslaving others, is OK because that is how he hopes to make his millions. He is a lonely, empty, tormented soul who can'see beyond his self imposed condition. He has no sense of what is truth and what is hatred, bigotry and prejudice. Jimmy Jones had devoted followers who when told to drink the kool-aid did so. People wil lead each other to their own demise while believing all the timr that what they are doing is truthful and right.

Belief will make you think that you have the key to truth but inexperience and naiivite seem to develop as well, when the truth you have is based in presupposed truth and quaint half sayings spouted by the oppressed and simple minded, from oppressors and oppirtunists who know exactly what the herd wants to hear and believe.

Opportunism is as old as history, but like most history we forget where and why it started and for what purpose and meaning it is being employed. Hitler was an opportunist who seized the mood and the moment to rise to power. Unfortunately shame follows the same type of people who would become the extremists that we recognise and fear are, taking over America. To think that he believes this alternate view is worth holding on to is like believing that all Hitler's plans were good and fair ideals, that were not based in the herd mentality of follow the leader to whatever conclusion he has in mind. Hitler had to be right on many issues and told the people what they wanted to hear or he wouldn't have been able to rise to power. It was the people -The VOLK- who gave him permission to be who he became.

Lets not let propaganda and greed destroy the real theme that America should adopt from its "C"- That of Life, Liberty and Justice for all.

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