Hey SFB BUCKY- WHY DON'T YOU LIST YOUR VERSION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS SO WE CAN SEE HOW MANY THE CHRISTIAN AMERIKA BREAKS EVERY DAY. YOU REALLY DO EXEMPLIFY THE TOTALLY IGNORANT HYPOCRITIC IDIOTIC SIMPLE MINDED CHRISTIAN. Bush must love the thought of you christians as his favorite dupes.
It is clear then, that Christianity in general has simply chosen to ignore much of the bible upon which it is based.
It is equally sure that Christianity does not have an unchanging moral code. Something that was wrong in the past can be right now, and something that was right in the past can be wrong now.
It seems reasonable to argue that what was suitable for a group of primitive Israelite tribespeople is not suitable for the life we lead now - or indeed for much of the intervening period. The bible is, in fact, almost laughably inadequate and superficial as a moral document and discusses no moral question with any clarity or depth - plenty of nice things are said here and there but do not rise above the platitudinous. It seems incredible that such a thrown together mishmash has had such importance in western history. We need to develop a sophisticated moral response to the issues that face us today that were not dreamt of in biblical times, and seek solutions which are appropriate to our conditions. Here is the beginnings of a list of problem areas which were not dealt with in the bible:
Bush and Hitler have too much in common. Take aryanism. Arianism. Named after Arius of Alexandria, this was the doctrine that while Jesus was the Son of God and the perfect man, he was not perfect God, with the Father, and was in fact a created being. This was opposed by Athanasius of Alexandria, for whom Jesus was just as much God as the Father and was uncreated and eternal. Arianism was condemned by the First Ecumenical Council, at Nicea, called by the Emperor Constantine I in 324, and by the Second Ecumenical Council, at Constantinople, called by the Emperor Theodosius I in 381. Nicea affirmed that Jesus was of one substance with the Father, uncreated, and God of God. This view was expressed in the still popular Nicene Creed. Arianism had to be condemned twice because through much of the 4th century it had actually become rather popular in Court circles and in the Church. At the same time, many German tribes that were converting to Christianity, like the Goths, converted to Arianism. Some Germans, like the
Visigoths and Lombards, persisted as Arians until the 6th century. Arianism thus made for a very troublesome element in Church history. Later in the Middle Ages, Islââm was regarded by Christians as a kind of Arianism, even though Islââm, while accepting the Virgin Birth and other miraculous elements of the life of Jesus
, did not acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God in any sense. Much later, the Nicene debate was still living to Thomas Jefferson, a Unitarian, who regarded "Athanasianism" as superstitious and contemptible.
Speaking of fucked up, here's some of the finer christian values to be found in a book that has no humor in it, which in itself shows a diseased mind at work.
17:9-14 Circumcision mandated (Unhealthy)
19:1-8 Rape virgins instead of male angels (Sexist)
19:30-38 Righteous man impregnates his 2 daughters while drunk (Lascivious Incest)
24:2-3, 9 Place your hand "under the thigh" (sexual organs) of someone swearing sacred oaths ( Homo sexual Pedophilia encouraged)
25:1-6 Keeping mistresses is not adultery 32:25 God grabs Jacob's testicles (gOD's a faggot)
34:1-31 Brothers are riled when sister is defiled
35:2 Reuben sleeps with father's concubine ( Fuck anybody)
38:1-10 Onan's method of birth control not approved
38:12-30 Tamar plays the harlot to seduce father-in-law
39:1-20 Women tries to rape man
47:29 Joseph ordered to place his hand under father's thigh (WOOOOOO)
20:26 God specifies building of altar to prevent exposure of nakedness
22:19 Death decreed for bestiality
33:17-23 God moons Moses
31:1-18; 28-47 God commands genocide of Midianites, Moses orders that virgins be kept, other captives slain (Jealousy is his )
5:11-31 God's fidelity test for women only ( OK Men are PIGS)
12:1-8 Bible calls childbirth a sin and bearing females a greater sin than bearing males ( China circa 1000BC)
15:16-18 Sperm and intercourse are unclean ( Body functions -is spit?)
15:19-33 Menstruation unclean; elaborate rules (Menarche is sacred in most giver societies)
15:29-30 Women must make sin offering for menstrual periods ( Male phobias)
18:22 Homosexuality declared an abomination
18:23 More bestiality
19:1,20-22 Man gets forgiven, slave girl gets flogging
20:10 Adulterers shall be put to death
20:13 Death decreed for homosexuals
20:15-16 Death decreed for bestiality (& beast)
26:29 Curse: Eat your sons and daughters ( Cannibalism)
3:1-7 Kill men, women, & children ( Fun things to do say in Iraq)
21:10-14 God okays captured maidens as trial wives ( par for the course of history)
22:5 Men's clothing not to be worn by women, & vice versa
22:13-21 A bride not a virgin must die ( MUST)
22:23-26 Virgin raped in city given no pity ( It was her fault)
23:12-14 Defecation: Carry paddle, dig hole, & cover up
25:5-10 Woman has cause to spit in man's face
25:11-12 A woman shall have her hand cut off for touching a penis 9 WOOOOW)
22:28-29 Paying father to have sex with daughter ( He'd do it for free)
23:1 Man "wounded in the stones" can't enter congregation
23:2 Children born out of wedlock condemned as bastards to 10th generation (Sad sacks)
23:10-11 Cleanliness called for in nocturnal emissions (Don't touch)
24:1 Man can divorce wife through eviction ( Make them safe)
28:27 Hemorrhoids ("emerods") punishment for sin
28:30 Lord's curse: Another man shall lie with groom's bride first
28:53-57 Curse: Eat your own body & children
3:20-22 Dagger in fat king's gut gets "dirt" out
4:4-22 Hammer & nail murder by woman
8:30 Gideon had many wives, concubines
11:29-40 Jephtha's daughter: human sacrifice
19:1-30 Woman raped and ruined by homosexuals
21:6-25 Amidst carnage virgins captured for wives
3:6-9 To "hook" him as husband, Ruth sleeps with Boaz 4:9-10 Boaz buys Ruth
5:9-12 Philistines "smitten with emerods" as punishment for stealing ark
6:1-5 To placate God, make golden emerods
15:3 God orders Saul to kill suckling babes
18:23-27 200 foreskins gain David a king's daughter
25:22,34 Any that pisseth against the wall
3:7 More concubine hanky-panky
11:1-27 Uriah sent to lose his life so David can get his wife ( ENVY, Jealousy)
12:7-12 Obscene performance to be viewed by all Israel
5:13 David had many wives, concubines
Chapter 13 Amnon rapes his sister
16:20-23 Absalom copulates with father's concubines on rooftop
20:3 David imprisons concubines for above
1:1-4 Virgin as therapy for sick old man unsuccessful
11:1-10 Wise Solomon has wives and concubines galore ( 1000, Jagger eat your heart out)
14:10 Him that pisseth against the wall
16:11 One that pisseth against a wall
21:21 Him that pisseth against the wall
6:24-33 "So we boiled my son, and did eat him" (Cannibals)
9:8 Subject not mentioned in sermons
23:7 Male houses of prostitution destroyed
1:32-33 Abraham's concubines have children
11:21 King Rehoboam had 18 wives & 60 concubines
Chapters 1-2 Sexual contest to decide new queen
SONG OF SOLOMON (the whole thing!) ( Shades of Deep throat)
3:16 "...and the Lord will discover their secret parts"( gOD's queer)
9:20 Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm ( Why eat the whole thing)
14:21-22 Slaughter children for fathers' iniquity
16:11 Biblical boast: "My bowels shall sound like an harp"
36:12 Eating dung and drinking piss (Like Bucky)
16:4 Grievous, obscene deaths
2:19 Something to lament
4:10 Women boil children for food
4:12-15 God says: Eat bread defiled with dung
5:8-10 What's for dinner? (Ch 5 is BRUTAL) They had no vision.Ezekial suffers from temporal lobe seizures.
8:2 Lord's loins make guest appearance( temporal lobe)
16:15 Fornications pour out
16:36-37 Their "filthiness poured out..."
23:1-40 Sex organs and ejaculate of harlots' lovers compared to asses & horses
29:7-8 God performs bloody castration via a sword
HOSEA 1:2-11 God tells Hosea to take whore to wife
2:1-15 Complications ensue (lewdly described)
3:4-6 Lord: "I will discover thy skirts upon thy face"
2:1-4 An angry god will spread feces on your faces( Do.g's on you)
5:27-30 A man may lust but it's not considered just
5:31-32 Man can divorce wife for fornication only
19:3-9 Man who divorces and remarries is adulterer
19:12 Castrate yourself for Jesus
22:24 Law of Onan (you have to marry your dead brother's wife)
2:21 Eight day old Jesus is circumcised (genital mutilation encouraged)
5:38 Eunuch baptized
15:24 Circumcision is not commandment
16:3 Paul circumcises adult
1:26-32 Gay men and lesbians "worthy of death" (backbiters etc)
6:18-20 Abstain from sex ( Bucky becomes a eunuch, cut your balls off, if you have any)
7:1-40 To be more holy, refrain from sex wholly
7:18-19 If you're not circumcised, stay that way
5:1-4 Paul speaks against
17:1-6 A whore is stripped, eaten and burned
TEACHINGS OF THE "PRINCE OF PEACE"
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three."
"If any man come unto me, and hate not
his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life
also, he cannot be my disciple." (You lose Bucky, go to HELL)
"But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I come not to send peace, but a sword." (Anger hate jealousy)
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
"For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death."( Glaring contradiction)
22:18 Reason for murder of many innocent women
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
24:16 Death for pronouncing name of Yahweh (the "Lord")
13:1-6 Obey the leader, (even if it's Hitler!)
BUCKY SEZ, QUOTE
-why ? just to make the less than 15% of america happy? if you don't like it don't look at it.
Speaking of 15%, Did you know that at the time of the revolutionary war, there were less than 15% christian church goers in America. So much for christian values being a founding feature. Take your argument to Thomas Payne, A true hero of Democracy!
BUCKY SEZ QUOTE
- i don't see christians in america killing people because they are not christians .as far as my religion i'll practice it wherever i want . thats what freedom of religion means.if i want to practice it in OUR government i will . if you don't like it don't participate.
but don't try to take my freedoms away .
Thats because you're blind and ignorant. How many racially profiled? How many gays? how many hate beatings, murdered abortionists? By supposed Christians. In the name of god? Whats that first commandment again? Tell that to the 12,000 Innocent Iraqi civilians, most of them the old, women and children. In amerika, how many fucked up christian men kill their wives and children each year. You are such an obnoxious hypocritic churlish little man.
You LIE to yourself daily!!! Get down on your knees and pray; you need saving
. Freedom to you gives you permission to HATE. Thanks for defining your FREEDOM for us.
The only thing people should hate , is hatred.
There is nothing so dangerous as someone claiming to be always right because that is certain to lead to them being wrong - at least some of the time. Fortunately, driven by secular influences since the Renaissance, Christianity, at least, has given up much of its barbaric past and improved its claim to be able to represent a moral standpoint (at the expense of ignoring the bible). It should not be allowed to claim the present as its own, however, but must disappear or continue to change. The fear, of course, amongst many Christians, is that much further change would lead to its disintegration, and they may be right.
Compared to the Koran, the bible is just a litany of anger, hatred, jealousy, bigotry, murder and outright ignorance of reality.
The Koran is a breath of fresh air compared to this EVIL based book, that makes absolutely no sense. It can't even adhere to truth in historical events(like Exodus) and is just a piece of whiticised trash. Like you, full of anger, hate and jealousy, love of aryan principles, so frustrated with stupidity that you would have intelligent people follow your thinking, or lack thereof. It is so backward and full of shit it constantly criticises itself. That reminds me of you and the way you are. Remember, a traitor to the world. That is what you have become.
Ask Ben Franklin what you are and what you deserve. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
. Benjamin Franklin
BUCKY SEZ QUOTE
-comming from an atheist , i couldn't expect anything else.maybe you should educate yourself?
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - - Stephen Roberts
"The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice: the sacrifice of all
freedom, all price, all self-confidence of spirit;
it is at the same time
subjection, self-derision, and self-mutilation..."
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."[Nietzsche "The Dawn"]
"War to the death against depravity--depravity is Christianity."
"It is regrettable that a Dostoyevski (Birth Date:, 1821. Death Date:, January 28, 1881)did not live near this most interesting of all decades--I mean someone who would have known how to sense the very stirring charm of such a mixture of the sublime, the sickly, and the childlike."
[Nietzsche, on Jesus Christ](Birth Date:, October 15, 1844. Death Date:,
August 25, 1900.)
"Atheists are now here to stay
. We are ready to take over the culture and move it ahead for the benefit of all mankind
. Religion has ever been anti-human, anti-woman, anti-life, anti-peace, anti-reason, and anti-science.
The god idea has been detrimental not only to humankind but to the earth.
It is time now for reason, education, and science to take over."
[Madalyn O'Hair, "Atheists: The Last Minority"]
"But I am mistaken in speaking of a Christian republic; the terms are mutually exclusive. Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence. Its spirit is so favorable to tyranny
that it always
profits such a regime. True Christians are made to be slaves
, and they know it
and do not mind; this short life counts for too little in their eyes."
[Jean Jacques Rousseau, Contrat Social (The Social Contract)]
"Why do you think you're God?"
"Because when I pray, I find I'm talking to myself."
[from The Ruling Class]
Quick to judge ... Quick to anger ... Slow to understand...
Ignorance and prejudice and fear [all] Walk hand in hand.
"[My] mind is not for rent to any god or government"
[Rush, "Tom Sawyer"]
"I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in."
[Salman Rushdie, on David Frost show]
"The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most
conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn
other ideas --uncertainty, progress, change -- into crimes."
"The state is a bankrupt institution. The only alternative to this
bankrupt 'humanistic' system is a God-centered government."
[R.J. Rushdoony, Reconstructionist theologian,
from _The Religious Right: The Assault on Tolerance
and Pluralism In America_, published by ADL]
"Christianity is completely and radically
it is committed to spiritual aristrocracy."
[R.J. Rushdoony, Reconstructionist theologian,
from _The Religious Right: The Assault on Tolerance
and Pluralism In America_, published by ADL]
"I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion,
as organized in its churches, has been and still is
the principal enemy of moral progress
in the world."
"It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no reason whatsoever
for supposing it to be true."
"If you think that your
belief is based
upon reason, you will support it by argument
, rather then by persecution
, and will abandon it if the argument goes against you. But if your belief is based on faith
, you will realize that argument is useless
and will therefore result to force
either in the form of persecution or by stunting and distorting
the minds of the young in what is called "education"."
"There is something feeble and a little contemptable
about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought!
Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not real
, he becomes furious
when they are disputed."
[Bertrand Russell, "Human Society in Ethics and Politics"]
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence,
it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
"Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do."
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."
"I have only made but one prayer in my life: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
Have you Ever read the bible, or are you afraid that you might learn something about how stupid it and you are. By all means, I encourage, implore, beesech you to read it. Try to understand, beyond what others tell you, about how ridiculous it truly is. Learn for yourself and then tell us about why you believe
What it all comes down to, is that the bible and Amerika are just conspiracy theories
Try to read to comprehend. Hiding behind a book he's never read. THAT's something to believe in!!! You are the epitome of what makes a coward.