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keep in mind, this is a group who believes that dinosaurs are only a couple thousand years old and that NOAH had several on his arc to avoid the big flood....they want to display this "fact" in a public zoo. obviously another "red" state that must have a shortage of teachers in schools....



Genesis display okayed for the Tulsa Zoo

July 5, 2005

After two hours of debate last month, which drew a standing-room only crowd of several hundred people as well as headlines around America, the Tulsa (Oklahoma USA) Park and Recreation Board voted 3-1 last month to approve a Genesis-account-of-creation exhibit for display at the municipal Tulsa Zoo. Buoyed by the support of many petition-signers, as well as the backing of the Tulsa mayor who also serves as a board member, AiG friend and local architect, Dan Hicks, was successful in convincing the board to include a creationist display at the Tulsa Zoo. See our previous article: Oklahoma OK—God versus gods at the Tulsa Zoo.

At the June 7 meeting with the city’s four-member park board, including Tulsa Mayor Bill LaFortune, Hicks urged the board to embrace the Genesis exhibit, pointing out an April 2000 Tulsa World newspaper poll in which 60% of respondents statewide said they believe creation alone explains the origin of mankind.

“If the zoo is going to open a discussion about origins, why is only the naturalistic view (evolution) allowed while the creationist view held by the majority of Tulsa taxpayers is forbidden?” said Hicks.

As predicted, protestors came out kicking and screaming. A newly formed alliance consisting of the Tulsa Interfaith Alliance, the Tulsa Metropolitan Ministers and the Jewish Federation, started a petition drive. Calling themselves the Friends of Religion and Science, this group is calling on the mayor and the Park and Recreation Board to: 1) reaffirm the zoo’s commitment to science education, 2) reverse the decision of June 7 and 3) direct the zoo staff to undertake a review of all exhibit material to ensure that it is consistent with the principles outlined in their letter of petition.1

According to the group’s website, over 1,500 petition signatures have already been collected that they wish to present at the next board meeting yet to be determined. This is yet another reminder of a boisterous group that claims to be about tolerance and inclusion, trying to censor, exclude and forbid the free speech of creationists.

While the mayor has been quoted in local newspapers as saying that he has no intention of changing his position about the Genesis display at the zoo, some Park and Recreation Board members are wavering in their previous decision. Hicks added that he is not surprised by the opposition, for over the years, he has seen and experienced such opposition whenever efforts are made to bring a balance in the teaching of origins in Oklahoma’s public schools and public institutions.

“There must be something very special about the Genesis account of creation for opponents to fight so hard to suppress these words,” says Hicks. “This should strengthen our faith!”

As Ken Ham, president of AiG–USA, said, “We need more people like Dan Hicks [he is also one of the leaders of the local creation group “Southern Plains Creation Society”] who are willing to boldly lead the battle to tell people the truth concerning the creation of the universe.”

As part of this effort to ensure that the Genesis account of creation will be displayed in the origins exhibit at the Tulsa Zoo, Hicks is encouraging Christians to pray for—and to thank—Mayor LaFortune for voting to include the Genesis exhibit at the Tulsa Zoo. To encourage the mayor, Dan suggests that people contact the mayor’s office by email and also by calling the mayor’s Action Line at (918) 596-2100.

The children of Israel did not cause the walls of Jericho to fall—God brought down the walls. But God did ask the people to shout. And I’m calling on creationists all across the nation to let their voices be heard by contacting mayor Bill LaFortune and encouraging him to stand firm with this support for the Genesis display at the Tulsa Zoo.


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mga, have you been going to Fox News and bringing their stories over here? That's bucky's job! :lol:

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got it...forgot to post the link....i was reading about AIG in another forum and did a little looking up about them.....more nut cases....but, then again, they are in oklahoma.....actually, i should have posted this under the "jokes" group because that's what it is. unbelievable that people disregard proven scientific facts and believe this.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0705zoo.asp


while there, if you can read the images and wording of their display, read it...they completely changed the bible!!

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Thanks for the link.

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while there, if you can read the images and wording of their display, read it...they completely changed the bible!!


And this is a surprise, how? :D

It wouldn't be the first time I've heard of fudging scripture and taking things out of context. It's a fundamental problem with fundamentalists.

This is interesting. The Lunatics are even making noise in Massachusetts.
Debate over evolution shuts down IMAX film

July 5, 2005

Debate over evolution shuts down IMAX film
By CONOR BERRY
STAFF WRITER
WOODS HOLE - It seemed innocuous enough: a 40-minute movie about underwater volcanoes that briefly mentions life on Earth may have arisen from the sea.

But the 2003 IMAX film ''Volcanoes of the Deep Sea,'' whose producer consulted with scientists from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and used its Alvin submersible to film the underwater volcanoes, has been banned by some theater owners and managers in the Bible Belt because it briefly mentions the theory of evolution.

The controversy, coupled with a nascent effort to include teaching ''intelligent design'' alongside evolution in public school curricula, has helped thrust the long-running battle between religion and science back into the limelight.

Proponents of religion argue that evolution is ''theory,'' not fact. Supporters of science point to the time-tested underpinnings of Darwin's theory of evolution, a pillar of the modern life sciences since it was introduced in the mid-19th century.

The evolution reference in ''Volcanoes,'' which includes footage filmed from Alvin at depths of more than 12,000 feet, prompted officials of more than a dozen IMAX theaters to ban the film. Previews indicated some audiences found the big-screen movie blasphemous because it contradicts the biblical account of how life on Earth began.

The Bible's Book of Genesis says God created Adam and Eve, the first man and woman. But the film purports that life on Earth may have started around hydrogen-sulfide-spewing hydrothermal vents located at the bottom of the ocean. Creatures that thrive in the super-heated environment have the same DNA as humans.

That sort of conjecture presented as fact, however, bothers supporters of both creationism - the literal belief in the Genesis account - and proponents of intelligent design, which holds that only the presence of an unspecified superior intellect could account for the complexity and diversity of Earth's living organisms.

The intelligent design concept has spread over the past 20 years.

However, many scientists, including members of the American Geophysical Union and the National Center for Science Education, say I.D., as intelligent design is commonly known, is merely religion masked as science. .


An unexpected reaction
The Canadian producer of ''Volcanoes'' said he did not set out to ruffle any feathers, though his film helped kindle the creation-evolution debate. It is part of an ongoing debate about the role of religion in secular society, fueled partly by faith-based politics and issues such stem-cell research, abortion and euthanasia, as evidenced by the Terri Schiavo case.

''The E-word - you know, evolution - was the one that triggered this response,'' Stephen Low, the film's Montreal-based producer and director, said of the uproar.

Low, who recently finished shooting an IMAX film about Air Force fighter jets, said about 15 IMAX theaters in the South and Midwest rejected ''Volcanoes,'' citing the film's evolution hypothesis and a general desire to avoid controversy.

IMAX currently has 250 theaters in 36 countries, including six in New England. Jackson Myers, a media relations official with IMAX, which is headquartered in New York and Toronto, said individual theaters determine which films to show. IMAX screens operate like franchises and are mainly located in museums, planetariums, maritime centers and aquariums.

There was no vocal opposition when the movie played last spring at the New England Aquarium's IMAX theater, according to an aquarium spokesman in Boston.

Low said he was not surprised by the reaction of creationists, who deny the tenets of evolution.

''Science is nothing more than a celebration of God, and all knowledge is simply a celebration of life,'' he said. ''But, you know, the creationists don't like that; they don't like the interchanging of the words 'God' and 'nature.' To me, that's what God is: God is nature, not a guy with a beard.''


Supporting an alternative
The Seattle-based Discovery Institute, a bipartisan think tank that supports the teaching of intelligent design in schools, does not specifically object to evolution.

Institute officials, however, strongly believe an alternative should be taught alongside evolution, particularly since the theory does not answer every scientific question about the origins of life on Earth.

''Volcanoes of the Deep Sea'' was not an issue for the Discovery Institute, said Robert L. Crowther, the director of communications for the organization's Center For Science and Culture. ''We certainly have no problems with films like that. We weren't actively involved in (efforts to ban the film).''

The organization does not want to ''get rid of evolution,'' he insisted.

Many of the ''pioneers'' of I.D. - a concept formed in the late 1970s and early 1980s - are associated with the Discovery Institute, founded in 1990. The Center for Science and Culture, which promotes the teaching of I.D., was founded in 1996.

To date, more than 400 scientists have signed the center's ''dissent list'' against Darwinism, Crowther said.

Members of the Discovery Institute believe many features of the natural world are best explained ''as a result of an intelligent agent, or agency, or cause,'' he said.

Crowther said I.D. does not use the word ''God'' and is scientifically based, while ''creationism is a religious assumption.''

Dr. Peter Folger, a Falmouth native and a hydrogeologist with the Washington, D.C.-based American Geophysical Union, gets angry when I.D. proponents portray the concept as science.

''Intelligent design is a half-baked idea that's being considered alongside real science,'' said Folger, a 1978 Falmouth High School graduate who played hockey and football there. ''It's dressed up creationism. It's the new medium being pushed at the state and local level very hard.''

Folger said I.D. is more insidious, however, because it attempts to camouflage its religious roots - that a greater entity or power created life on Earth, not a series of chemical and biological processes.

''Is it affecting the science we do right now? No. But it will affect how science is done if they (I.D. proponents) can influence people's understanding of how science works.''

WHOI so far has not seen a drop in federal funding for research because of faith-based politics, said Shelley M. Dawicki, the institution's director of public and community relations.

''We have no evidence of that at this point. It hasn't happened, but it's something we're aware of,'' she said, noting that WHOI receives about 75 percent of its funding from federal sources, including the National Science Foundation.


'Speak up for science'
''Volcanoes'' cost about $8 million to produce and more than three years to film. Sponsors included Rutgers University and the National Science Foundation.

American Geophysical Union members recently encouraged scientists to ''speak up for science'' by voicing their opposition to plans by the Smithsonian Institution to show a pro-I.D. film.

Fred Spilhaus, American Geophysical's executive director, said the movie ''A Privileged Planet'' promotes ''creationism in the form of intelligent design.'' and fosters the idea that science should include a ''supernatural'' component.

''By associating with the Discovery Institute, the Smithsonian Institution will associate science with creationism and damage its credibility,'' Spilhaus wrote in the June 14 edition of the American Geophysical Union weekly newspaper.

The film was based on a book whose authors are affiliated with the Discovery Institute.

Dr. David G. Gallo, the director of special projects for WHOI, said he was surprised by some people's reaction to ''Volcanoes of the Deep Sea.'' An oceanographer and underwater volcano expert, he served on the film's scientific advisory board.

A Roman Catholic who once considered the priesthood, Gallo said he does not have difficulty reconciling his faith with his profession.

''I don't see a conflict in what we're doing (as scientists) and what's said in the Bible. I just think that there's no need to have this kind of conflict.''

Low, director and producer of ''Volcanoes,'' said efforts to ban the film are misguided: ''To do anything to prevent children from looking at this spectacular place is wrong.''

Conor Berry can be reached at cberry@capecodonline.com.

(Published: July 5, 2005)

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good post, seamus, and no, it wasn't a surprise at all. what was surprising is the number of people who actually believe in what is being displayed there. one doesn't have to look far to see true ignorance, especially on the internet.

it was also no surprise that the south and midwest would opt NOT to show that film....can't have people actually thinking, can we?

your post offers the idea of life beginning with volcanoes, which is most likely the best possible answer yet as to when did life begin. i posted in the "health and science" forum that they can trace man back to 4.5 million years so far....a long time in our life, but short for evolution to change much. but they can actually say that man was just starting to walk upright about then...give or take several thousand years. they are always looking for that "link" between being on all fours and standing up.

stephan low's remark that "god is nature and not a guy with a beard" is surely enough to drive some to grabbing pitch forks and torches to hunt him down.

resist as they may, but, as science progresses, it will continue to challenge many religions and many will keep trying to disprove science wrong. the only problem is science deals with facts and religion deals with....well...make believe.


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stephan low's remark that "god is nature and not a guy with a beard" is surely enough to drive some to grabbing pitch forks and torches to hunt him down.


Well he is a pagan. C'mon, let's get serious. We can't allow that to pollute true faith. :shock: Kill the heretics! :shock:

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resist as they may, but, as science progresses, it will continue to challenge many religions and many will keep trying to disprove science wrong. the only problem is science deals with facts and religion deals with....well...make believe.


There are faiths and subsets of faiths that take science and progression into account and don't have a problem. Sadly those are the religious beliefs that regressive fundamentalist types would like to see eradicated.

God is nature. God is collective consciousness. God is unity. If those beliefs make me a pagan, then I suppose I must be a pagan.

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The Discovery Institute Mentioned in the Article on the IMAX film in my post above is a Moonie Front. In case you didn't know that.

Check out Babinski's Site, He's an ex-Fundie debunking Intelligent Design. He's a biologist by the way...

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thanks for the link.

i always felt intelligent design was another way of some christian groups attempting to make some sense of their own biblical beliefs, and in an attempt to concede partially with evolution, try to claim that evolution could not be possible without some "greater being" designing the origin of animals (including mankind)

perhaps the fatc that we still haven't unlocked the depths of DNA, cells, or even how the brain works, this is the best possible answer they have today. so, as science progresses foward, and we do start unlocking or discovering how we work (biologically) what will they do then?

just as it's harder today to prove the *poof" theory (god said let there be man...poof) it will become harder for them to prove devine intervention. after a while, blind, ignorant faith won't hold people together and attempting to legislate laws to prevent the education of people will wear thin as well. hell, even the people in oklahoma will become better educated eventually and begin the actually think on their own..lol...proof that evolution is occuring every day. (my little sarcastic joke)


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just as it's harder today to prove the *poof" theory (god said let there be man...poof) it will become harder for them to prove devine intervention. after a while, blind, ignorant faith won't hold people together and attempting to legislate laws to prevent the education of people will wear thin as well.


:lol: The Poof Theory...I've never heard the fundies' theory of creation so well described. :D


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no other way i can explain it.....or, i should say, no other way they explain it...simply *poof*...and there was man...standing there.


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if you beat these people with the intelligentant stick it would do no good!


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