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Author:  Kilia [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:30 pm ]
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This "religion" by far is the most dangerous of all.

I almost got sucked into this organization when I was a young woman in my early 20's and living in LA. Calif.

For starters:
Their members are not allowed to read anything on the internet that is in opposition of their beliefs. Most members who have computers with internet access, have a "net nanny" installed that was given to them by the organization.

They infiltrated the IRS building and stole many things . They then got information about the admin at the IRS and blackmailed them into submission to get their tax-exempt status.

The organization breaks up families, abuses their members on Staff and in the Sea Org.

"Fair-games" ex-members and critics.

This is a website I recommend to find out MUCH more about this so-called "church". www.xenu.net


Have any of you heard of this "church" and what are your opinions of it?

Author:  nygreenguy [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:31 pm ]
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Jeez, this could all be said about ANY religion....

Author:  Kilia [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:43 pm ]
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nygreenguy wrote:
Jeez, this could all be said about ANY religion....


You mean to tell me that "ANY religion" breaks into the IRS building and steals things?

Subjects their members to go days without sleep?

Charges their members untold thousands of dollars for their services?

Tells their members they are infested with BT's (Body Thetans) that need to be audited out of them for a nominal fee of $1000.00 per hour or more?

Author:  nygreenguy [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:39 pm ]
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Kilia wrote:

You mean to tell me that "ANY religion" breaks into the IRS building and steals things?
I dont really see evidence of this anywhere.

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Subjects their members to go days without sleep?
No, but without food! AND sex!

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Charges their members untold thousands of dollars for their services?
do we really need to answer this?

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Tells their members they are infested with BT's (Body Thetans) that need to be audited out of them for a nominal fee of $1000.00 per hour or more?
No, but close!

I just dont see to much evidence for most of this stuff and just see it as more evidence why religion is an insane idea altogether.

Author:  Kilia [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:04 pm ]
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Read it and weep for our country, guy.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/irslegal.html

Author:  nygreenguy [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:09 pm ]
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Kilia wrote:
Read it and weep for our country, guy.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/irslegal.html


I saw nothing about breaking into the irs, and i sure as hell aint gonna read all those cases.

Author:  Kilia [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:10 pm ]
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nygreenguy wrote:
Kilia wrote:
Read it and weep for our country, guy.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/irslegal.html


I saw nothing about breaking into the irs, and i sure as hell aint gonna read all those cases.


Well, if you won't read, you will never learn the truth.

Author:  nygreenguy [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:12 pm ]
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Kilia wrote:

Well, if you won't read, you will never learn the truth.


See, thats not how a discussion works. If you have a point you make, then its up to you to provide it to me, with reasonable ease. By dumping a shit pile on me and expecting me to go through it hardly counts as evidence.

Now, you made the claim they broke into IRS offices then provide me with a page which speaks about lawsuits. Thats hardly counts as breaking into an IRS office.

Author:  Kilia [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:14 pm ]
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Ok, how about this one:

http://www.factnet.org/headlines/give-away.htm

Author:  Kilia [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:22 pm ]
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Or any of these to support my statement:

http://www.caic.org.au/index.php?option ... d=99999999

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews ... 030997.htm

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/irscos2.htm

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/irs_infiltrated.html

Author:  nygreenguy [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:38 pm ]
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Kilia wrote:


Well, you got lucky, i found this in one of the first few paragraphs:
Quote:
"OTC [Operation Transport Corp. Ltd.], was a sham corporation controlled by L Ron Hubbard and petitioner [CST] (p. 399)… Its board of directors lacked bona fides (p. 399)… To disguise these payments as debt repayment and to conceal the OTC sham a cover story was developed (p. 439)… In pursuit of the conspiracy, petitioner filed false tax returns, burglarized IRS offices, stole IRS documents, and harassed, delayed, and obstructed IRS agents. Petitioner gave false information to, and concealed relevant information from, the IRS about its corporate structure and relationship to OTC… CHURCH MEMBERS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE HIERARCHY, NOT JUST ORDINARY CHURCH MEMBERS, PARTICIPATED IN THE CONSPIRACY (emphasis added, p. 505-506)." [From Church of Scientology v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 83 T.C. 381 Aff'd, 823 F.2d 9th Cir. (1987) cert. den. 486 U.S. 108 S. Ct. 1752 (1988). Also see Hernandez v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue.]


However, when I searched for the terms bolded above in ALL of the cases from 1987, I couldnt find anything speaking about this event.

However, after further searching, I found the case. The author above isnt that good at citing .

However, to get back to the point, all of this, even if true, hardly makes scientology any more dangerous than any other religion.

Christians have a history of wanting to overthrow the entire government and institute a theocracy. The government is infused to the core with christian fundamentalists.

I see no evidence to support your belief that scientology is the most "dangerous" religion.

Author:  Channel Zero [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:21 pm ]
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Scientology has high profile kooks under its faith, but it's not the most dangerous.

Conservative christians take the prize by super far. There are a heck of a lot more conservative christians in top political posts than scientologists.

Author:  Catherine [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:40 pm ]
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I agree, CZ...the conservative christians are like the Inquisition. While Scientology does indeed seem to be strange and unhealthy, as all religions are IMO, the right-wing conservative christians want to turn back the clock to medieval times and they have a lot of political pull in our nation right now.

Author:  shoeless [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:18 am ]
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Catherine wrote:
I agree, CZ...the conservative christians are like the Inquisition. While Scientology does indeed seem to be strange and unhealthy, as all religions are IMO, the right-wing conservative christians want to turn back the clock to medieval times and they have a lot of political pull in our nation right now.


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