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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:01 am 
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: Why do some people continue to call Bush a liar? I think this calling Bush a liar, is a spin and not a fact.Why do some people continue to call Bush a liar?
: 1) A lie is the deliberate act of telling the opposite of what one *knows* is the truth. More accurately, people should be saying that he came to wrong conclusions or assumptions about Iraq having WMD.

: 2) It seems a great number of people easily forget that the President Bush wasn't the only person who came to that wrong assumption. Indeed, there were *many* others who also thought Iraq had weapons of mass destructions.

: "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others.

: And Kerry said this *just* before the war:

: "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

: Here are more democratic speeches:

: http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?I ... SONALITIES

: Well, have they all lied?

: How about these: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bushlied.htm

: Wow! I suppose they lied too?

: Here's a complete speech by Kerry: http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?I ... SONALITIES

: Question: How do people so easily forget these speeches?

: The Answer is, media bias. I may be wrong about this but I think the media conveniently 'forgot' those speeches in order to report only what the public wants to hear. The media knows the public believes one thing based on letters to the editors, polls, etc. So stories are slanted to support that way of thinking. After all, who wants to hear something other than what the been lead (brainwashed) to believe. Would you buy a paper prints what you don't want to hear?

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I don't know Mr. Buckshot.

Can you explain why the same exact post is posted here by someone named "TCS" subtitled "YourOwnPersonalJesus"?
http://www.teenplanetforums.com/showthread.php?t=8367

I'll tell you. It's really strange. You guys sure do think alike. Would you care to fill us in on why these posts are exactly the same?

Should I cut and paste and post the rebuttals from the same posting board "Teen Planet"? Do you think that I could get away with that? It sure would save time and all of that messy reasoning and thinking.

As I see it.

There are two issues here.

Issue One: Are you a plagiarist?

Issue Two: Can't you think for yourself?


Isn't that a bit hypocritical Mr. Buckshot? Ranting that we can't think for ourselves and then cutting and pasting something that's not yours and and passing it off as your own.

Whatcha Think Mr. Buckshot?

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well lets see i guess its only ok for you to cut and paste , i thought it was a good article with good links , and i thought i would share it , but of course your gonna start your name calling again instead of discussing the article.i see all sorts of copy and paste links on this forum but your not calling them names , oh thats because those links support your shallow liberal theorys, i really don't believe you can handle opposition why don't you stick to looking at your porn sites.and no i don't believe i ever said this was my own. thats what forums are for DISCUSSING.. and i believe it was you that cut and pasted my entire first article.....you disgusting plagiarist.. oh look i cut and pasted that big p word so i wouldn't have to type it myself.oh my i'm like you i cut and paste.rather than discussing issues all you do is spell check , worry about cut and paste , and rant like a 6 year old.
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oh my God , i did it again i cut and pasted some of your writing .

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Gee, what ever do you mean Mr. Buckshot?

Was it cutting and pasting a map that you referenced? I went to the same site. And I even gave the address to the main site. You didn't do that.

I didn't see anyone referenced on the cut and paste that you did here.

Where's the original thought there? The frequent posters here cite where they get their stories and information.

I think that you were trying to mislead us.

What did I cut and paste of yours? Without quoting you? There's a big difference between what you did and what I did when I quoted you when I replied to your post.

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hello everybody i have an anouncment to make...

FROM NOW ON MR. SEAMUS IS THE CUT AND PASTE POLICE.

i mean why not he /she whatever seamus is can't seem to do anything else , so from now on if you see a good article that you want to share and discuss don't cut and paste it because seamus is going to write you a ticket or something , of course thats after he /she shows his/her age and rants on and on and on and on or should i say bla bla bla. like a 6 year old.

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buckshot wrote:
like a 6 year old.


You seem to have a fixation on 6 year olds.

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to answer the cut and paste police..... well i believe all the links are in the article. and those are the links i wanted to discuss .where did you get those big words you use , i'll bet you got them out of a dictonary and you really didn't make them up yourself.

where is your reference for those big words. i mean they look just like words out of a dictonary.

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You clearly took what I had said out of context my friend. I said that I ignore your insults.

What you did was misleading. You are using quotes out of context to infer something outside of the original meaning.


this was a quote from you



like a 6 year old.

i really believe you should listen to your own advice

MR.SEAMUS

look more cut and paste boy i tell you that is so neat.

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buckshot wrote:
where is your reference for those big words. i mean they look just like words out of a dictonary.


Now there's an interesting premise.

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stop trying to come up with something , it might make you go blind.

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As for your cutting and pasting. If you had cut and pasted someone else's post and simply said "I got this from so and so, what do you think of this?" I would have never had said boo about it. I might have commented on it. We may have gone over it. But I'd not have called you on it. So I called you on it.

Perhaps this is an oversight on your part. But a bigger question is, if it was an oversight, why did you get so defensive? Aren't you the one who holds "truth" in high esteem?

BTW, I won't go blind. And you spelled dictionary wrong.

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Hey bucky, Don't you think it's a little tacky to claim that people who post here don't think for themselves and then cut and paste someone else's post without crediting them?

Or do you think that copying another's work is ok? Do you do that often in school? Do you think by cheating that you will ever learn the subject or are you just looking for a passing grade?

I have a question for you bucky... when you get out of high school next year, are you going to enlist in the military like many of the liberal senators and congressmen in office today? Or will you make like the conservatives that now serve and let the liberals do it for you while you slither off and hide under a rock somewhere?


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And obtw, bucky. Bush is called a liar because he tells lies.

Where are the WMD, bucky? He said there were tonnes of it... Where is it?
When will the Iraqi oil start paying for the war, bucky? If the mission was been accomplished two years ago on May 2, bucky, why do we still have troops in Iraq? How come the medicare bill costs nearly twice what he said it would?

Got any answers, bucky?

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buckshot sort of kind of wrote:
Here's a complete speech by Kerry: http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?I ... SONALITIES


According to KGO-AM 810 Talk Radio San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose and I quote...

Quote:
Sorry, this entry cannot be found.


It must be liberal media bias.

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 Post subject: Re: why is bush called a liar
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buckshot sort of kind of wrote:
: Here are more democratic speeches:

: http://www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?I ... SONALITIES


Is it too much to ask for some context with these snippets?

the Fair and Balanced KGO-AM 810 Talk Radio San Francisco Oakland San Jose wrote:
Democratic Hypocrites on Iraq WMD's
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mas destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


You do realize that I've already established that you're not above misleading us by using partial quotes out of context.

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