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Well Mr. Buckshot. That's certainly a descriptive name you've come up with for this thread. Does it mirror your rhetoric? Or is that a reflection of your muddled thought processes?

Are you going to send us all a copy of this Agitprop you're hawking?

US Foreign Policy created Saddam. You still don't get that, do you?

So, if this film indicts Saddam, it indicts Reagan, HW and a grand cast of Neo-Cons as well. Doesn't it?

Mr. Buckshot, they still haven't found any Weapons of Mass Destruction. Calling Saddam Hussein a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" does not absolve Mr. Bush of his administration's lies and deceit.

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"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 |

i guess it indicts these idiots also ... quit being fictional mr seamus.

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i guess it indicts these idiots also ... quit being fictional mr seamus.


Well no Mr. Buckshot. Nice try though, we went through those quotes once before over and over again. You're a one trick pony aren't you?

All of those quoted Democrats were fed cooked intel. You do remember that, don't you? Your neo-con friends cherry picked only the juicy stuff that would support their war plans.

Mr. Buckshot you're the fictional caricature; there's that projection issue rearing its ugly head again. I hope you enjoy the Middle East Hell Hole you helped to create. People like you created it by marching lockstep behind liars and cheats who pass themselves off as leaders. You never once questioned what you were being told by your Republican Leaders. And that's a shame.

When are you enlisting BTW? After all, you're a true American and Americans are number 1. Don't you want to contribute to the war effort? Shouldn't you show some sacrifice for the war you so vociferously support? That's only fair, don't you think?

Tell me, you're a Christian, correct? Who would Jesus torture, who would Jesus maim and who would Jesus kill? Where in the bible is Jesus quoted as teaching that? Why do you hate? And why do you hate Jesus Mr. Buckshot? You don't mirror what Jesus teaches from what I see.

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You never once questioned what you were being told by your Republican Leaders. And that's a shame.


Very true, Seamus. What is even more shameful is that he STILL believes everything the Republican leaders say, right up to the present. THAT is what I find amazing about him and others of his ilk. They're all choosing to be informationally deprived, but bucky is one of the worst I've seen lately.

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your fearless leaders are finally getting on the banwagon, oh i guess cause the election is over. why can't you. oh i guess this is just more of this jibberish you stated..


seamus quote"All of those quoted Democrats were fed cooked intel"


and yes mr. seamus i am a christian, and i do believe jesus did lay the law down and his blood to save you from perishing in hell , their is only right and wrong , i guess you never read in the bible where God destroyed whole civilations of unholy sinners, the only hate i have is for all the lies you support. stay out the gray area mr.seamus it'll only kill the truth. don't let politians pave your faith in Gods plan.

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your fearless leaders are finally getting on the banwagon, oh i guess cause the election is over. why can't you. oh i guess this is just more of this jibberish you stated..


Election? We've not had a real "election" since 1996, bucky. In fact, that means that the 21st century has yet to see its first LEGITIMATELY ELECTED president.

Read the following, and then I challenge you to REBUT the TRUTH OF each WITH LINKS AND SOURCES TO SUPPORT YOUR REBUTTAL:

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In an effort to bring together the left and the right from a divisionist effort on the part of those who would rather see the nation divided rather than bettering our nation through reasonable political debate, we'd like to offer up a response to the popular misconceptions of the left and an invitation to a more balanced and critical view of our nations troubles. We've broken this down into a few, hopefully not too boring, points.

1. [b]Definition of a liberal
. Be skeptical of anyone who demonizes liberals. Remember the Latin roots of the word: liberus, meaning free. Remember that the civil rights movement, the labor movement, the equal rights movement, the free speech movement, the environmental movement, the 40 hour work week, and social security, are all liberal causes. Republicans even adopted a few of them for themselves, such as the civil rights movement. Most fascist regimes demonize and eventually outlaw the left in their rise to power. Hitler purged the liberals and communists long before going after the Jews. It's the liberals who represent the working class and those who would be oppressed by and the most significant threat to a regime in the hands of the corporations

2. The myth of the liberal media. If the "liberal media" myth is true, then where are the liberal pundits to counteract O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, felon Liddy. felon North, unconvicted felon Limbaugh, Medved, Savage, "Dr."Laura, and FOX 'news"? Don't fool yourself into thinking that anyone critical of the Bush administration or it's policies is an outlet for the liberal media. Here's a wonderful example of the lack of a liberal media: Do you know who Chandra Levy is? Of course you do. The alleged lover of a Democratic Congressman who was missing and later turned up dead. Gary Condit's career was ruined and Levy's image is implanted in the memory of anyone who's watched CNN. Do you know who Lori Klausutis is? Of course not. Lori was the alleged lover of Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough. She was found dead of blunt trauma to the head IN HIS OFFICE. Did you know about that? http://www.oldamericancentury.org/lori_klausutis.htm

3. Conservatives as those supporting smaller government and fiscal responsibility. It was centrist Clinton who actually reduced the size of government and presided over the creation of the largest surplus this nation has ever seen. Whether he deserves credit for the creation of it or not, it was President Bush who spent a decade's worth of surplus in 6 months. While stonewalling an independent investigation of the events allowing 9-11 to occur, Bush created the largest bureaucracy even seen in the USA to combat the very threat that he refuses to investigate.

4. Restoring integrity to the White house. When faced with the inevitability of an investigation of 9-11, Bush appointed accused war criminal and proven liar to congress, Henry Kissinger as head of the investigation. After claiming a conflict of interest, he resigned from the appointment. (What kind of "conflict of interest would prevent you from finding the cause of such a tragedy? Wouldn't you resign from everything else?) Bush, In the face of investigating the leak of a CIA agent's identity as revenge for her husband speaking out against Bush, in the same week proclaimed that the person who leaked the identity would be found and then turned around and then said the leak may never be found. Why was the announcement of the investigation delayed for 48 hours by Ashcroft at the request of the White House. How many "Iran-contra scandal" felons did he appoint to high level White house positions? How many industry executives have been placed in cabinet level positions to police themselves? http://www.oldamericancentury.org/cronyism.htm
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/poindy.htm


5. The Project for the New American Century. Are you aware of the existence of this organization and who it's members are? Have you read their "Statement of Principles" or their infamous document, "Rebuilding America's Defenses? If you think you know anything about the current leadership of the current presidential administration, you don't know anything if you don't know about the PNAC. Your once noble party has been infiltrated by a small group calling themselves "neoconservatives". The PNAC was founded by Dick Cheney and includes such luminaries as Karl Rove - chief political advisor, Richard Perle - chairman of the defense policy board (an advisory panel to the pentagon), Dick Cheney - vice president and profiteer of Halliburton, Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense and Bechtel profiteer, Jeb Bush - presided over the purging of thousands of votes securing his brother's presidential placement, William Bennett - presidential speech writer, and Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy secretary of defense. Basically everyone who tells Bush what to say and do are members of this organization. Shouldn't you know more about the PNAC? http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm[/b]


Link: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/message.htm

These are just a few of the things people like you, bucky, choose to ignore or don't have the brain power to actually understand. But know this: You're bring laughed at in your ignorance by the very people, like Bush, who you worship. Your ignorance is so obvious in the way you write and in the way you express yourself. In fact, I'm not even sure that you have the capabilities to actually make an informed decision about anything political. Either you're an extremely mentally handicapped adult, or you're a mentally challenged 10 year old making a pathetic foray into the adult world, hoping you won't be recognized.

Well, guess what?

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Comrade Buckshot wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/kerr-f19.shtml


Mr. Buckshot, you're a socialist! Careful, reading that pinko stuff will turn you into a baby killing bible burning atheist.

It's funny how that's how you view socialism. It's evil, right? Are you saying that Jesus is evil? Jesus was a socialist.

And you're still on this John Kerry is my leader horseshit. Wherever did you get the idea that he was my leader?

Go and dig up some Dennis Kucinich quotes supporting the war. Then you'd be doing something


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your fearless leaders are finally getting on the banwagon, oh i guess cause the election is over. why can't you. oh i guess this is just more of this jibberish you stated..[


Gibberish? Comrade Buckshot, you apparently have no clue as to what gibberish is. It's funny how every one of your posts are rife with gibberish and yet you can't seem to use the word properly much less spell it.

Comrade Buckshot wrote:
seamus quote"All of those quoted Democrats were fed cooked intel"


I'm proud of you. You're finally catching on Comrade Buckshot.

Or is this just another example of one of your hammer fisted rhetorical machinations? If it is, you missed by a country mile.


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and yes mr. seamus i am a christian, and i do believe jesus did lay the law down and his blood to save you from perishing in hell , their is only right and wrong , i guess you never read in the bible where God destroyed whole civilations of unholy sinners, the only hate i have is for all the lies you support. stay out the gray area mr.seamus it'll only kill the truth. don't let politians pave your faith in Gods plan.


First off, Jesus didn't die to save my soul; that's what you believe. That's what you chose to accept as "truth". I know plenty of Christians Comrade Buckshot and none of them believe that Jesus is about destruction. Where do you get this sort of theological point of view? You need to distance yourself from the fire and brimstone snake handlers and READ the bible instead of swallowing your local neighborhood Elmer Gantry Clone's canned interpretation.

I don't get my faith from a politician. Do you? Where the hell did you ever get the idea that I get my faith from politicians? Perhaps that works for those of you who view the United States as best governed as a theocracy. I believe in the separation of church and state. Politicians can believe in anything that they want. I doesn't mean I'm going to swallow their religious beliefs. When I see a politician who wears his or her faith on their sleeve that's a big blinking light that they are a fool. Comrade Buckshot, as Jesus once said, Pray in a closet rather than with Evangelical hypocrites.

Truth Comrade Buckshot? Truth? Do you have any clue as to the irony of your statement? Truth stands up to critical examination and review. Quoting tracts that you bought at a "Christian" store are hardly critical of biblical "truth". Hagiographies and apologetics aren't critical in their assessment of the bible.

Comrade Buckshot, If I were to ascribe to Christianity, I'd not be a Calvinist. From what I've seen of your philosophy and beliefs it's a pretty safe bet that that's the closest off the shelf theology that best fits your belief system.

Comrade Buckshot, I you want to discuss the bible in its original languages I'll do that for you if you'd like. Don't make bald faced assumptions about my bible literacy, for that might just get you into a whole can of worms that you won't be able to extricate yourself from.

As for grey areas Comrade Buckshot, the bible's full of them. The bible is far from Black and White. The bible is full of paradoxical statements. Case in point,"Hell", my good man, is a garbage dump in Jerusalem. I doubt that I'll wind up in a garbage dump in Jerusalem because I didn't accept a version of "Christianity" that espouses a version of a "Perfect" god that spends his time destroying civilizations that disagree with your misguided hatred.

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QUOTE FROM CATHRINE BLA BLA BLA OH I'M SORRY HERE'S THE REAL BLA BLA.

"You're bring laughed at in your ignorance by the very people. "

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT YOUR HOOKED ON PHONICS CD MESSED UP.
Your ignorance is so obvious in the way you write . OH DID I SAY THAT OR DID YOU. OH MY GOD MS PERFECT CATHRINE MADE A PUNCTIAL MISTAKE. OH MY GOD . get off your pedistal no one worships your ingorance. you've created your own stage to be laughed at. if you believe that crap you post so much why don't you get a newspaper or tv station to talk about it. problably because they don't want to end up like that putz dan rather.


ANOTHER BLA BLA

"like Bush, who you worship"

THIS SHOWS HOW FAR YOU FELL OFF OF YOUR ROCKER.I DON'T WORSHIP BUSH. I LAUGH AT LIBERALS LIKE YOU. OOH EVERYTHING IS A BIG CONSPIRACY AND ONLY A HAND FULL OF LIBERALS LIKE YOU KNOW THE REAL TRUTH. GIVE ME A FREAKEN BREAK AND YOU CALL ME IGNORANT , GO TRY AND SCARE SOMEONE ELSE WITH YOUR BULLSHIT.

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"Either you're an extremely mentally handicapped adult or you're a mentally challenged 10 year old "

oh yea pick on the handicapped and 10 year olds this shows your intelligence,
now calm down little girl you are going way out the box.
i know for a fact i can out intellect you while i'm sleeping. you are like talking to a rock or a liberal . now go ahead and call seamus and ask him what to say next or just post another cartoon.

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:lol: ...I think I touched one of your hot buttons, bucky. You are so predictable. Nothing from you except more of the same...just like your hero, Bush. :munky2: You both try to defend what cannot be defended...your basic ignorance.

You see, if you were a serious debater with knowledge of the issues, you would have addressed the five topics of discussion I posted, thus meeting my challenge. To review, I asked you to REBUT the five topics I posted, providing us with links and reliable, unbiased sources to support your rebuttal.

You cannot, so you fall back on rhetoric that doesn't make sense, which further indicates that you're a troll. Were you banned at your latest freepers' board because you did not have enough knowledge to discuss the issues with your fellow freepers :hmph: ?

Jesse bans trolls, so I'd be careful if I were you.

Just answer my challenge, bucky-boots. It should be easy for someone as "smart" as you claim to be. :lol:

Thanks for helping to start my day off with laughter. :laughing5:


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Did anyone understand this?
Mr Buckshot wrote:
QUOTE FROM CATHRINE BLA BLA BLA OH I'M SORRY HERE'S THE REAL BLA BLA.

"You're bring laughed at in your ignorance by the very people. "

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT YOUR HOOKED ON PHONICS CD MESSED UP.
Your ignorance is so obvious in the way you write . OH DID I SAY THAT OR DID YOU. OH MY GOD MS PERFECT CATHRINE MADE A PUNCTIAL MISTAKE. OH MY GOD . get off your pedistal no one worships your ingorance. you've created your own stage to be laughed at. if you believe that crap you post so much why don't you get a newspaper or tv station to talk about it. problably because they don't want to end up like that putz dan rather.


ANOTHER BLA BLA

"like Bush, who you worship"

THIS SHOWS HOW FAR YOU FELL OFF OF YOUR ROCKER.I DON'T WORSHIP BUSH. I LAUGH AT LIBERALS LIKE YOU. OOH EVERYTHING IS A BIG CONSPIRACY AND ONLY A HAND FULL OF LIBERALS LIKE YOU KNOW THE REAL TRUTH. GIVE ME A FREAKEN BREAK AND YOU CALL ME IGNORANT , GO TRY AND SCARE SOMEONE ELSE WITH YOUR BULLSHIT.

cathrine quote
"Either you're an extremely mentally handicapped adult or you're a mentally challenged 10 year old "

oh yea pick on the handicapped and 10 year olds this shows your intelligence,
now calm down little girl you are going way out the box.
i know for a fact i can out intellect you while i'm sleeping. you are like talking to a rock or a liberal . now go ahead and call seamus and ask him what to say next or just post another cartoon.



That's pretty much what I got out of the latest Bucky rant. I saw some words strung together in seemingly random order. It was pure vacuous nonsense lacking even a modicum of sensibility. Are you always this lucid Bucky?

Once again Mr. Buckshot you have entertained us with a dose of Useless Babbling Gibberish.

I'd follow Catherine's advice if I were you.

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THIS PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBES WHAT I GOT OUT OF YOUR VIEW ON RELIGION, COMRADE SEAMUS



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A: At least ten, as they will need to have a discussion about whether or not the light bulb exists. Even if they can agree upon the existence of the light bulb they still may not change it to keep from alienating those who might use other forms of light.

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oh and to cathrine who quoted "Election? We've not had a real "election" since 1996, bucky. In fact, that means that the 21st century has yet to see its first LEGITIMATELY ELECTED president. "

there a rebute for ingorance...







Democrats: Let Every Vote Count - Except Soldiers’ Votes
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November 20, 2000
"I think it’s a time to simply get on with counting the votes," said Al Gore’s attorney, David Boies, who appeared on Fox News Channel Sunday morning.
But does he mean it? Look at what they do, not at what they say. If you watch the actions of the Gore campaign across the board you will find out that what Gore’s mouthpiece is really saying is:


"We in the Gore campaign think that it’s time to get on with counting votes from areas where Gore is likely to get additional votes, and to stop counting those ballots, such as military ballots from overseas, where Bush is likely to get additional votes."

What gall! On the one hand they’re engaged in a organized conspiracy to deny the vote in Florida to our men and women in uniform while trying to make sure that every welfare brood mare in Palm Beach County has her voice heard.


Focus group nonsense. You hear it time and time again. "All we want, all Americans wants, is a fair and honest count of all the votes."

We now know that’s a lie. How in the world can any logical and reasonable person believe that the "Gorons" want a fair and accurate count of the votes when these very same Democrats are working so hard to make sure that votes from military personnel overseas aren’t counted.

I think the Gore crowd recognized the mistake immediately, but it was too late. That 5-page memo from that Democratic lawyer was already out there, and there was no plausible deniability.


People hadn’t been particularly furious, but this pushed many over the edge. The mere thought that the Gore campaign would put a higher value on a dimpled chad than the vote of an American serviceman overseas was just more than some people were willing to abide.

Felons vote in Dade County. Servicemen see their ballots thrown out. The Gore election legacy!


The Wall Street Journal is reporting today that about 1,420 overseas ballots have been rejected. Of those discarded ballots the Journal says about 1,100 were military ballots, and Bush is taking 63 percent of military absentee ballots. That would mean that 693 votes for Bush were tossed.

This morning at 8 a.m. Miami-Dade County is scheduled to begin a hand count of the votes. Note, that today is 13 days after the election. Almost two weeks have passed, two weeks since Miami-Dade ran a machine count of the ballots and found no problems whatsoever.

So, why today? Why, suddenly, did Miami-Dade decide that a hand recount was urgently needed?


Because the Democrats are disappointed and concerned about the numbers of manufactured votes they’re getting from Palm Beach and Broward counties. A quick look at the Florida map shows that the most likely place to get those needed Gore votes would be Miami-Dade. So the Gore machine calls their Democratic operatives in Miami-Dade and tell them that the hand count is needed. Lawsuits are threatened. Miami-Dade caves.


Believe me; if we get to the end of the Miami-Dade process and they still haven’t been able to make enough votes out of dimpled chads and Post-it notes, they’ll come up with somewhere else that needs to be counted.


The manual recount effort in Broward County wasn't going Al Gore's way. Gore hadn't picked up enough ground against George W. Bush — only 85 more votes for Gore turned up with nearly half of Broward's 609 precincts reporting. So, on Sunday, election officials decided to loosen the ballot-counting rules in a way that's sure to benefit Gore. Now dimpled or "pregnant" chads will be allowed in the vote count. Isn't that great? The recount isn't going your way, so change the rules halfway through the game!

Can any reasonable person really believe this recount is fair?


According to affidavits sworn to under oath, Bush ballots were found mixed in with a stack to be counted as Gore ballots by a Democrat poll worker who pointed out the error to his Republican counterpart and apologized. He said that the stack of ballots did not look like that the previous evening and he felt that the stack had been sabotaged.

Teresa Lapore then just put the ballots into a box without separating them.

It has also pointed out that in one county they discovered that there were no less than 39 felons who were not eligible to vote, who cast ballots. One of these felons was even a poll worker. So, while felons are allowed to vote, men and women in the military are excluded.

This morning a GOP observer of the recount process in Palm Beach County, Republican Attorney Mark Wallace, said on ABC’s "Good Morning America" that the emphasis in the recount effort is on speed, not accuracy.


So, why do you think these people are so concerned about speed? That one’s easy. They are racing the Florida Supreme Court. They need to get votes for Gore on the books quickly to win the public relations battle. If they can get enough hand counted votes for Gore before the Supreme Court rules the pressure will be almost insurmountable. The Democrats are in a hurry. No time to worry about accuracy.


I think I heard about 10,000 times this weekend that George Bush signed a law in Texas allowing for hand recounts of machine ballots. This, of course, means that he shouldn’t be complaining about the hand recount process in Florida.


Something’s not being said here, though. There’s a big difference in the two laws. The Texas law has a clear set of standards as to just how those ballots are to be hand counted. Not so with Florida. That’s why you see the canvassing boards in Florida changing the rules in the middle of the recount. That wouldn’t be permitted in Texas.


An interesting point about today's court action. The Washington Times has concluded that it's all or nothing for Al Gore today. He's staked his entire political future on the result of today's hearing. It has to do with the legal briefs Gore's team filed with the Florida Supreme Court. They do not raise a federal issue that would allow an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court if his argument is rejected.


The Times may not have it completely right. The legal action may be over, but here's another scenario for you to consider.


Fast forward to this evening. Both Gore's and Bush's legal teams have made their case to the Florida Supremes. The Supremes decline to overturn Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis' ruling that Katherine Harris' decisions can stand, and she can go ahead and certify the vote. Does it stop there? Does Gore concede?


Maybe the Gore camp's focus shifts to the members of the Electoral College, who are set to meet on December 18 to cast their votes for the next president. Maybe, with the help of Democratic consultant Bob Beckel, the Democrats launch a new campaign designed to convince Republican electors that Al Gore deserves to be the president because he won the popular vote. Maybe the electors' decision to switch to Gore is helped along by some rather damning information Beckel has dug up on their financial dealings or past relationships.

Remember, assuming Bush wins Florida and none of the other closely contested states, Gore only needs three Republican electors to change their vote and he's in the White House for four years.


Does Al Gore's self-destructive march to the White House end tonight? Not likely. He has too much to lose to let everything slip away from him in the chambers of the Florida Supreme Court.

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How military vote
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Election 2000 was one of the most controversial presidential races in American history. And no chapter of this amazing story was more explosive than that dealing with the suppressed military vote.

Whether it was because of an intentional effort to prevent service personnel from voting, as some suspect, or because the Pentagon's system of absentee balloting is outmoded, outdated and inefficient, is debatable. What is not debatable is that thousands of military personnel who serve their country domestically and abroad did not get to vote for their next commander in chief.

A new 100-page WorldNetDaily Special Report by reporter Jon E. Dougherty represents the most comprehensive account of the problems, political machinations and subversion of military votes unearthed during Election 2000.

Even before the Nov. 7 election, Dougherty was documenting cases where military voters living at bases in the U.S., and especially abroad, were being denied their franchise.

Then the story heated up rapidly. From the early Pentagon admissions of absentee-ballot delivery problems to subsequent angry denials; from a Florida Democrat lawyer's five-page memo on how to disqualify military ballots to the capricious disqualification of hundreds of legal military votes in that state's razor-close race; from multiple lawsuits over absentee ballots to judges chastising canvassing boards for denying soldiers their right to vote; WorldNetDaily was there through it all. And topping it off are the many voices -- some from battleships halfway around the world -- of the men and women in America's armed forces who contacted WorldNetDaily, crying out for the right to exercise the most basic American right of all -- the right to vote.

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THIS PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBES WHAT I GOT OUT OF YOUR VIEW ON RELIGION, COMRADE SEAMUS


You don't seem to understand complicated things Mr. Buckshot. It's not surprising that you fail to understand my religious views. I haven't really shared all of my beliefs with you.

Religion is a private matter. As I recall you were the first one to bring up religion. And all you know how to do is backpedal and fall back on all of the old saws that Republican "Values" Blowhards Ejaculate on command.


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Q: How many liberals does it take to change a light Bulb?
A: At least ten, as they will need to have a discussion about whether or not the light bulb exists. Even if they can agree upon the existence of the light bulb they still may not change it to keep from alienating those who might use other forms of light.


You might learn something from your joke Mr. Buckshot. There is plenty of truth in the joke that you can't see. That's your problem. All you see is one tree and exclude the rest of the forest. A singular tree in the forest will not survive. I don't find that joke to be an insult.

Prove God Exists. And don't use the word faith or the bible. Betcha Can't prove he exists. Try reading David Hume's "Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion" and get back to me. I'll give you a hint, you won't find Hume's book at your local Christian Bookstore. Try the library or the internet.

You have no clue as to what I believe Bucky-Boots. Once again you're reaching for straws.

There are plenty of religious liberals. I know many liberals who have faith. You need to put aside the asinine propaganda you've been spoon fed. Stop listening to that right wing bullshit and wake up.

Wearing your "faith" on your sleeve will not get you into heaven, nor will condemning those who you feel don't share your "faith".

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