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 Post subject: OKC Bombing...Redux
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OKC Bombshell Proves Feds Are the REAL Terrorists

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"After a morning of reporting that "multiple bombs" had been found in the Murrah debris -- a report publicly confirmed by the Gov. Frank Keating -- and that rescue operations had been halted for two hours while these unexploded bombs were removed, news people suddenly began to spin the government yarn about an ANFO bomb being responsible for the enormous damage.
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"One of the problems with that theory was the fact that the columns remained standing directly across the sidewalk from the truck as opposed to those that had collapsed more than 50 feet away. A retired air force brigadier general with 30 years experience compiled an irrefutable report on this subject, which showed exactly where the charges were placed inside the building.
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"It was so irrefutable that the prosecution refused to allow him to testify at the Denver trial as it would have destroyed any ANFO theory that the government had already sold to the American people."
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PREFACE NOTE: There is nothing more evil, antichrist or otherwise insane than calling evil "good" or believing in antichrist insanity "in the name of the Christ". A nation that does this is "toast" - one way or the other. Cherished illusion or willful ignorance is no excuse under Laws of a Higher Power of ultimate accountability. Those who succumb to the "BS" (Belief Systems) of government propaganda behind this insanity are guilty of complicity... and will go to a "hell" (dimension, incarnation, etc.) of their own creation.
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This is a final test for civilization. Enlightened Netizens worldwide know the truth of "final judgment" -- how we are all ultimately accountable to the Higher Conscience of Christic discernment, Buddhic compassion, etc. The soul "matrix" is a HABIT of believing (spirit body), thinking (mental body), feeling (e-motional body) and acting (physical body)... in that order. Those who have a habit of believing the lies of "fallen ones" -- those who have fallen from the habit of believing in a living God of Love-in-action -- their "damnation is just" as the scripture says; we "go to" where we're "coming from".
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OKC Bombshell Implicates Feds In Murrah Blast
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/o ... shell.html
January 7, 2004

After nearly a decade, shocking, suppressed evidence emerges

By Pat Shannan

Only moments after an enormous blast blew away most of the facade and a full quarter of the eastern end of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) began to release evidence implicating two men, and two men only, who they claimed were solely responsible. The evidence later showed that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had confessed to the impossible.
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At first, several independent investigators came forward to complain that there was an obvious cover-up. Now they call it the "ongoing cover-up of the cover-up." And now, even the new OKC museum contradicts the official theory of what happened on April 19.
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Officials in charge at the time still refuse to discuss anything other than the manufactured spin: McVeigh and Nichols, as convicted by the courts, mixed up a large batch of ammonium nitrate fuel oil (ANFO—a mild explosive used by farmers to blow out stumps) and demolished several square blocks of downtown Oklahoma City with a devastating blast that could be heard miles away.
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In reality, the ANFO story was born only 10 minutes after the blast when a high-ranking BATF official by the name of Harry Everhart witnessed the blast from nearby and called the BATF office in Dallas to excitedly announce, "Someone has just blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City with a truckload of ANFO!"
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Some reporters and investigators, who have looked objectively at the bombing, now argue that neither Everhart nor anyone else could have correctly deduced in such a short time exactly what caused the explosion.
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According to government documents released later, Everhart was experienced in loading large amounts of ammonium nitrate fertilizer into a vehicle for use as a terrorist truck bomb, and his presence in the midst of the second worst terrorist attack in U.S. history looms suspicious to this day.
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Records indicate that this ANFO explosives expert and his associates had destroyed at least eight vehicles in "test bombing experiments" http://snipurl.com/bvux at a secret range in the New Mexico desert in the 12 months prior to the OKC bombing.
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Everhart and his fellow specialists even photographed and videotaped these truck bombs as they detonated.
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Far from an anti government militia member, the vehicle bomb expert was Special Agent Everhart, an employee of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. And, according to federal government records obtained later, Everhart had been instrumental in obtaining the government funding to perform the ANFO bombing tests.
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Everhart served on the National Response Team (NRT), a group of experienced bomb and arson investigators who respond to major bombing crime scenes throughout the United States.
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He also served on a secret government project in 1994 that conducted tests using ANFO and C-4 to blow up cars and vans in a classified U.S. government experiment known as "Project Dipole Might."
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According to files, reports and photographs obtained from the Department of the Treasury through a Freedom of Information Act request, the U.S. government initiated a "comprehensive ANFO and C-4 vehicle bomb testing program" about a year before the OKC bombing. Records show the project was supervised and administered by the BATF, but was actually funded through a National Security Council (NSC) directive.
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The Department of Treasury has confirmed the project was initiated under President Bill Clinton's NSC staff shortly after he took office in 1993.
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The intent of the Dipole Might experiments in 1994 includes making videos and computer models to "be displayed in a courtroom to aid in the prosecution of defendants" in vehicle bomb cases, according to government documents. The exact precedent and purpose of this activity is unclear. BATF agents started blowing up vans and cars in the spring of 1994 at the White Sands Missile Range in order to collect test data for post-blast forensics computer software packages to be issued out to National Response Team personnel when they respond to truck bombings.
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Why the NSC would fund such a BATF project—despite the rarity of the crime—has not been explained.
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Nor has it been explained as to what specific threat-assessment information the government had when it decided to engage in such a project, just a few months before officials claimed a Ryder truck laden with ammonium nitrate fertilizer exploded in front of the Murrah building.
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The only major ANFO vehicle bombing in U.S. history, prior to OKC, occurred in August 1970 at the University of Wisconsin, in Madison, Wis.
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Contrary to media reports, the World Trade Center bomb of February 1993 was composed of urea nitrate, not ANFO, according to the FBI.
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Despite only one known case in almost 25 years, why did Clinton's NSC anticipate a need for detailed information regarding ANFO vehicle bomb attacks a few months prior to the Oklahoma City blast?
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Treasury's own official documents reveal the intensity of interest. In fact, a brief summary of 'Project Dipole Might' is featured in BATF's 1994 Annual Report to Congress.
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There were enough clandestine characters hanging around Oklahoma City to fill a James Bond movie during the days prior to the crime.
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BATF's paid informant Carol Howe had provided information that the Murrah building was one of three potential targets.
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On April 6, Cary Gagan gave U.S. marshals in Denver the information that "a federal building would be blown up in either Denver or Oklahoma City within two weeks." He had not only personally delivered timers and blasting caps to a Middle Eastern group, but had sat in on a meeting where the blueprints of the Murrah Building were on display.
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Then, 38 minutes before the blasts on April 19, the Department of Justice in Washington received an anonymous telephone call warning that the Murrah Building was about to be blown up but took no action.
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After a morning of reporting that "multiple bombs" had been found in the Murrah debris -- a report publicly confirmed by the Gov. Frank Keating -- and that rescue operations had been halted for two hours while these unexploded bombs were removed, news people suddenly began to spin the government yarn about an ANFO bomb being responsible for the enormous damage.
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One of the problems with that theory was the fact that the columns remained standing directly across the sidewalk from the truck as opposed to those that had collapsed more than 50 feet away. A retired air force brigadier general with 30 years experience compiled an irrefutable report on this subject, which showed exactly where the charges were placed inside the building.
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It was so irrefutable that the prosecution refused to allow him to testify at the Denver trial as it would have destroyed any ANFO theory that the government had already sold to the American people.
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On May 23, 1995, only 34 days after the explosions, the federal government stonewalled all attempts to examine the building's remaining structure and carried out an ordered demolition, destroying and burying forever what many believed contained the evidence of many explosions. [Note: The same company hired to demolish the building was also contracted to bury the evidence of an ordered demolition of the World Trade Centers! -CR]
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In its issue of Oct. 11, 19, as well as other issues, the now defunct weekly Spotlight newspaper fully covered the Oklahoma City incident and conclusively proved the accuracy of reporter Shannan's above story.

The bombing was definitely a federal government operation; just why Nichols and McVeigh confessed is a mystery that forbids the closure of the case. [McVeigh isn't dead; it was a staged execution. He's had plastic surgery and was paid well for his role in the terror-for-tyranny tactic that, along with the 9-11, has taken over the Federal government. I don't know about Nichols. -CR]
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The OKC bombing isn't talked about much by the media anymore, John...probably because it occurred before 9/11 and it was during Clinton's administration.

AND also because Bush can't get any publicity out of OKC for his take over the world schemes. :tongue3:

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Hello Catherine,

I agree 1000%. If Bush didn't create a fiasco, how the hell can he take credit for one! By the same token, it is so dangerous to remove the patterns of abuse from our memories just because Bush was not sitting in the Oral Office.

The career jackbooted thugs who massacred eighty some people at wacko Waco, (just down the street a bit from 'the ranch') mostly women and children, are still around waiting to do the bidding of the next AG since Asscroft is leaving today. Should we forget about him too? Should we forget about Reno's Raider's? Obvious Timmy McVey didn't. Of course we must remember Ruby Ridge. This country has some very sick people in positions of authority AND enforcement.

Asscroft leaves with the legend in his own mind that he was not just the man who gave us the numb skull colors of alert (what were we supposed to do at RED?) but he was also out-voted by a dead man in Missouri before joining the Bush/Cheney neo-Nazi "do it my way or hit the friggin highway" team that took us to war against a sovereign nation while breaking all the rules we created at Nuremberg and Hung most of the defendants for their crimes against humanity and peace. Arrogant hypocrites should not be forgotten in the anals of justice.

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They will not be...these L'il Bush thugs will get theirs.. It might not be in our lifetimes, but fate just doesn't work like that. Bush has aged tremendously in the past several years. I hadn't realized until I compared pics of him in 2001 to what he looks like now. I don't relish the idea of looking at him at all, but I made the sacrifice to compare those images. :lol:

It took 13 years for Hitler to get his...and it will take Bush awhile for his tarnish to show, and for those who think he hung the moon to take the blinders off...but it will happen.

Bush is a crime against humanity and against anything that is naturally good on this earth.

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BTW, Catherine,

Those are not typo's in my previous....

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I knew that!... :lol:

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Take a peek.

I have many email on this already. 99% pos 1% neg (goes with the territory)

http://www.rense.com/general62/mc.htm

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Fantastic, John...wonderful writing, and so, so correct...every word.

That 1%..wasn't Ben Hogan was it?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

By the way, I posted some info about VERPA in the Activism forum here at TVNL...I didn't think you'd mind!

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 Post subject: OKC and Etc ...
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The OKC Booming was supposed to bring in new anti-freedom laws that had already been written. That was first big try to get them passed. It failed. 9/11 did not fail .. Nothing left to say except this .. They picked up where Clinton left off. They planned it well didn't they? They must have been jumping up and down and boiling over with joy. I can almost see it .. the patting on backs, shaking of hands and etc. Maybe just like those guys jumping for joy on that building nearby.

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 Post subject: You want the Real Deal Fear Factor?
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CIA's Goss Gives Goose Bumps to the Senate Select Intelligence(?) Committee re NEW DANGEROUS al Qaida chemical, biological and nuclear terrorists plots that MAY befall America UNLESS, OF COURSE Congress gives the President the funds he needs to fight world wide terror. What a crock! Carrot and Stick, Baby!

So, you want equal time for homegrown terror and the REAL threat???

Type into your Google search engine; "treason in wartime" and see how many pages of articles pop up! Concerned citizens are already writing to Senators and Congressmen asking 'why is this matter not resolved'?

Are you feeling lucky?

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 Post subject: Re: You want the Real Deal Fear Factor?
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CIA's Goss Gives Goose Bumps to the Senate Select Intelligence(?) Committee re NEW DANGEROUS al Qaida chemical, biological and nuclear terrorists plots that MAY befall America UNLESS, OF COURSE Congress gives the President the funds he needs to fight world wide terror. What a crock! Carrot and Stick, Baby!

So, you want equal time for homegrown terror and the REAL threat???

Type into your Google search engine; "treason in wartime" and see how many pages of articles pop up! Concerned citizens are already writing to Senators and Congressmen asking 'why is this matter not resolved'?

Are you feeling lucky?

John



Well now, should I / we feel lucky or should we shake in fear all the time?

John, do you think money will stop anything like that from happening? If you want to know what I think, I'll tell you in advance ... No. I don't think it will. No amount of money can stop a thing like that from happenning. They would not know where, when, what would be used etc. They would not know if it would be something old or something new, like say a mixed cocktail.

A school teacher told me awhile ago, that we are all going down the tubes and we are doing it quite well on our own. Sending our jobs over seas, sparying our foods with only G-d knows what and pumping the crops full of
artificial fertilizers. If you look at a label on a food product, it likes your reading a science project. Fast food and etc. He said in school, lots of kids can't seem to concentrate for more then a few minutes at a time and that the number is growing. I asked him if he talked to other teachers about it and he said yes and that it is common knowledge? Pretty sad!

All this fear is not good for anyone. What do you think?

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My tongue was in my cheek as I wrote the previous post. Sorry to confuse.

This al Qaida threat thingy is a ruse! No more credible than Pearl Harbor or 9/11, or the justification for the tonkin gulf resolution or the preemptive attack on iraq or the Vietnam war. Its all BS. GET IT?

Don't you get it? All this crap is leading the nation of sheep over the cliff and into the slaughter house of neocon politics.

They don't give a rats ass about you and me. All they want is world domination via the fear factor, just like the Nazi's tried in the thirties. We are expendable assets and the NG and Reserves? HA! Last night on the news it showed wounded vets with no place to treat their wounds received in Iraq. One must be full time active to get those benefits.

WAKE UP!

WAKE UP! NOW!

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Hi John,

Well, It was misunderstanding on my part to.

I agree ... The power hungry resource grabbers are in full kill mode. They keep coming up with fear tactics to scare the people into going along with all their crap. I think some people are coming around, but not enough / fast enough.

I got an idea they plan more plunder in the near future. I wonder what excuse they'll use this time? Most people think its just oil they want, but it isn't. It's land (Not just Iraq), oil, treasures of the Middle East and etc. We already know all this, so I won't beat a dead horse. I read someplace that USA is Israel's Pitbull. We should remember that Iraq was 4th World (13 years of bitter sanctions,) when they got pounded in the dust. The results were a foregone conclusion. I believe the Israelies got what they wanted. If Israel could smash Saddam Hussein by using the USA as their pitbull, then all the better for them. Just think how all the other Countries must live in fear of the Pitbull being turned loose on them. Iraq devastation = imtimidation --> A by-product.

One person told me there is only 2 ways this can stop. God stops it or Mother Nature goes wild. Or would that be 1 using 2?

I wonder where all these warlords get their money? After all, if it is going out like it is, where is all that money coming from? Must be that money tree out back or that big blank check on the wall huh?


Peace and freedom always !

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What's next? Well, my guess is the assassination of the former Lebanese PM is the beginning of the avalanche, just like the beginning of WWI.

Retaliation will continue until Syria (blamed by US for the deed but not in the business or position to create havoc in Lebanon, their ally), finally gets pushed into the corner by US/Israel tactics where they will launch on Isreal with nuke missiles. Retaliation will be negligable as 90% will be launched in initial strike by Syria. Israel can then attempt to finish off Syria while Iran inacts their mutual defense act and sends a nuke salvo en mass to Israel. US will react with nukes to Iran who will get so crispy the fallout will go to the east and north east to China and India. And the dominoes will fall one after the other.

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 Post subject: Wowzers ...
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John, I think your so damn close it is beyond scary. It's odd to, cause I was thinking something like that might happen to.

I'm guessing that bomb that went off over their was compliments of the USA or Israel or both?!

Just my 2 cents worth.

Peace & Freedom always.

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