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 Post subject: Could this be true?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:15 pm 
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I happened to run into a person the other day who was claiming that the real Native Americans were the Celts, and that when DNA tests were done on ancient remains of Native Americans, there were always traces of the Caucasian race in the results. :? He said that there were no Indian Native Americans, and he didn't care whether or not he was being politically correct. The Celts were the first Americans, according to him.

He said the Celt remains being found in a variety of places within mainland US were much older than those of any native american remains and that the "Indian" tribes were getting their noses out of joint because of the results of these DNA tests. They didn't want it to be reported by the media.

Was he nuts or what?


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I seriously doubt it as the celts hadn't inhabited Britain before 1600BC. ... dcelt.html
In 1600 BC, it is not even clear if a Celtic language group had split from Indo-European. The first archaeological stage identified as "Celtic" is the Hallstat culture (800 BC-400 BC) which is generally confined to the Alps. It's not until the La Tène Era (400 BC-44 BC) that significant Celtic artifacts are found in the British Isles. Although the question of when the Celts arrived in Britain and Ireland is debated, most scholars assume it occurred well after 1600 BC.

There have been identified ruins from 30,000 years ago in the Alaska wilderness, and the latest theory is that people did cross over from Europe but it was at the time of the last Ice age. I don't think the Celts were active then. The first migrations beyond the dry wastelands of Alaska didn't happen until there was a corridor to walk down on the east side of the Rockies. It is speculated that it took almost 1000 years to populate all of North America, and the native population reached as much as 20 million people, with a city near where St Louis is, with almost 1 million people.

The celts were unique but not the first here. Amazing what people will believe if left to their own devices.

Perhaps your associate was thinking of Kennewick man found in the Columbia River in Washiungton-
One of the oldest human skeletons ever found in North America may be repatriated to several American Indian tribes for reburial within two weeks. The well-preserved skeleton was found on July 28 in the Columbia River in Kennewick, Washington, by two residents of nearby West Richland. It has been radiocarbon-dated to 8410 ± 60 B.P. (before present) by R. Ervin Taylor, Jr., of the University of California, Riverside, and this date is broadly corroborated by a piece of a projectile point of the Cascade phase, usually dated between ca. 9000 and 4500 B.P., embedded in the pelvis. Archaeologists are fighting the repatriation of the skeleton before it has been studied further, and a legal challenge may be launched.

Examination of the skull by anthropologist James Chatters revealed a long, narrow skull and face, a projecting nose, receding cheek bones, a high chin, and a square mandible. None of these features is typical of modern American Indians, but they are found on other Paleoindian skeletons roughly contemporaneous with the Kennewick remains. Such features have previously been described as "pre-mongoloid," "proto-mongoloid," "archaic-mongoloid," and even "proto-caucasoid."

The last term, in particular, has led to some confusion, with New York Times reporter Timothy Egan calling the skeleton "Caucasian" and saying, "It adds credence to theories that some early inhabitants of North America came from European stock." But according to anthropologist Donald K. Grayson of the University of Washington, "the use of the term caucasoid really is a red flag, suggesting that whites were here earlier and Indians were here later, and there's absolutely no reason to think that."

In a 1994 study, physical anthropologists D. Gentry Steele and Joseph F. Powell, both of Texas A&M University, compared the morphology of early North American skulls with that of other ancient and modern groups from around the world. They observed that later Holocene (ca. 8500 B.P.-present) northern Asians and American Indians fall into one group, with the shortest, widest faces; southern Pacific and European populations into a second group, with the tallest, narrowest faces; and Paleoindians into a third group somewhere in between. They concluded that their "analysis supports the distinctiveness of the Paleoindian sample from the more recent Holocene American Indians."

Whether these differences are the result of two (or more) separate migrations from Asia to North America; of the evolution over the past 10,000 years of the shorter, rounder skull shape out of the taller, narrower one; or of some other cause remains undetermined. Steele and Powell based their study on observations of nine skeletons between 8,000 and 10,000 years old and more detailed measurements of four of those, omitting a tenth because its date was uncertain. Since then several other skeletons of similar age have come to light. At least one of them, known as the Spirit Cave Man (see "Oldest North American Mummy," ARCHAEOLOGY, September/October 1996), also displays the taller, narrower skull morphology, according to Amy Dansie of the Nevada State Museum in Carson City. As one of the best-preserved New World skeletons of the period, the Kennewick specimen has the potential to contribute greatly to this discussion, but it may be reburied before scientists can study it further.

Again, the things people hang on to and the things they believe. Our brains grasp what helps make sense of this world all too easily and we're too lazy to check or confirm exactly what we heard. no wonder lawyers have so much fun with us and assure that a witness is not as sure of his facts as he thinks he is. Information can be confused.

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