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 Post subject: An Urgent Message From MoveOn.org...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:55 pm 
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TVNL posters: Please read the following and please sign the petition:

On Monday, September 13th, at midnight, the national ban on military-style assault weapons will expire, allowing these murderous weapons back on our streets.

Congress is feeling the heat and is prepared to renew the ban, if the president will only ask -- but President Bush is letting the ban expire, on behalf of the gun lobby. We've got to take action.

Please sign on to our emergency petition to President Bush and Congress to renew the assault weapons ban now:

http://www.moveon.org/savetheban/

Then please ask your friends and family to sign, by forwarding them this email. We'll deliver all of the comments by Friday, September 10th, before the ban expires, so we need as many people as possible to sign on today.

In 2000, President Bush campaigned on a promise to renew the ban. Yet today, after we've endured mass murders like Columbine and terrorists have bought assault weapons on American soil, President Bush is letting the ban expire.

Bush is jeopardizing our safety for the sake of an endorsement from the National Rifle Association. As reported in the newspaper The Hill, "The National Rifle Association's (NRA) endorsement of Bush is on hold until after the ban expires."[1]

Since 1994, the assault weapons ban has taken the deadliest military- style weapons off our streets, dramatically cutting their use in crimes by 66 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Justice, and reducing the murder rates of police officers and the public.

This is not a partisan issue -- the assault weapons ban was supported by Presidents Reagan, Ford, Carter, and Clinton, and by Republicans Tom Ridge and Rudy Giuliani. The ban is supported by 74 percent of American voters, by Republicans and Democrats on the committees that investigated 9/11, and by virtually every police officers' association including the Major Cities Chiefs Association, International Brotherhood of Police Officers , National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP), National Black Police Association, and Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association.

Yet President Bush is letting the ban expire, as he refuses to call on Congress to send him the ban renewal for his signature.

If he lets it expire, beginning Tuesday the 14th of September, an 18-year-old will once again be able to buy an AK-47 assault rifle in most states.

Don't let Bush put deadly assault weapons back on our streets. Go to:

http://www.moveon.org/savetheban/

Please help make sure your friends have signed on too, before we deliver this petition on Friday.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

--Wes Boyd
MoveOn.org
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004

Footnote:
[1] The Hill, "Gun makers get ready for big demand," September 2, 2004

* See our website for the complete article, as well as further resources and other background information on this issue.


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 Post subject: Urgent Message.....
PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:26 am 
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We have the Right to Bear Arms under the Constitution.To give those rights up,or to let the illegal gov. strip this basic right from US,is nothing less than suicidal,and playing right into their plans.Our forefathers understood this all too well.
Don't keep falling for the Hegelian Dialectics of Right v. Left,or Republican v. Democratic B.S. They are on the same team!


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.
From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1928, Germany established gun control.
From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally
ill, and others, who were unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1935, China established gun control.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were unable to defend
themselves and were rounded up and
exterminated.
In 1964, Guatemala established gun control.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1970, Uganda established gun control.
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
In 1956, Cambodia established gun control.
From 1975 to1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives -- because they were unable
to defend their liberty -- at approximately 56 million in the 20th century.
======================================================
Confiscation of Registered Guns Begins in Illinois
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?i ... ticle=4691
The Chicago Police Department and the Illinois State Police have teamed up
to make good on Mayor Daley's pledge that, if it were up to him, nobody would
have a gun. Daley and his elite "CAGE" unit are apparently taking advantage
of gun privacy loopholes to pinpoint certain individuals for inclusion in
the confiscation program.
The ISRA is following up on leads in one case that has distrubing
implications. An elderly first-generation Chicago resident was recently paid
a visit by an Illinois State Police trooper. After asking to come inside the
man's home, the trooper asked if the man owned a gun - to which he replied
yes. The trooper then directed the individual to surrender the firearm. The
man complied with the officer's demand and the trooper left with the gun.
And the story gets better...
The gun in question was purchased legally by the man in the 1970s shortly
after he became a U.S. citizen. When Chicago's infamous gun registration
scheme went into effect in the early 1980s, the man registered the firearm
as per the requirement. However, over the years, the fellow apparenlty forgot
to re-register the firearm, and forgot to renew his Illinois FOID Card.
So...what does this all mean?
In the last edition of The Illinois Shooter, we reported on the activities
of a shady taskforce known as the Chicago Anti Gun Efforcement (CAGE) unit.
This elite squad, operated jointly by the Illinois State Police, the
Chicago Police Department, and the Cook County State's Attorney's Office,
supposedly exists to identify illegal gunrunners. However, information
gained by the ISRA makes it clear that the CAGE unit is targeting law-abiding
citizens, not criminal gunrunners.
Thanks to a ruling by a liberal federal judge, the CAGE unit now has the
name of every single person in the United States who, since 1992, lawfully
purchased more than one handgun in the period of a week. The CAGE unit
also has all the makes, models and serial numbers of those guns. In essence,
the Chicago Police Department is now registering guns and gun owners
nationwide.
The ISRA has also learned that the CAGE unit has compiled a list of families
where more than one person in that family holds a FOID card. Acting on that
information, the CAGE unit is now contacting gun shops where those families
have shopped, and is illegally registering all guns purchased by those
families.
Now, it appears that the CAGE unit is scrubbing Chicago's gun registration
list against the list of FOID card holders. Indications are that folks who
have let their registrations and FOIDs lapse will have their guns
confiscated. We have to wonder how long it will be until state troopers
show up at the doors to confiscate the guns of non-Chicago residents who
have let their FOIDs expire.
More later as this story develops.
http://www.isra.org/nsnews.htm
=========================================In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.
From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1928, Germany established gun control.
From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally
ill, and others, who were unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1935, China established gun control.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were unable to defend
themselves and were rounded up and
exterminated.
In 1964, Guatemala established gun control.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1970, Uganda established gun control.
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
In 1956, Cambodia established gun control.
From 1975 to1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives -- because they were unable
to defend their liberty -- at approximately 56 million in the 20th century.
======================================================
Confiscation of Registered Guns Begins in Illinois
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?i ... ticle=4691
The Chicago Police Department and the Illinois State Police have teamed up
to make good on Mayor Daley's pledge that, if it were up to him, nobody would
have a gun. Daley and his elite "CAGE" unit are apparently taking advantage
of gun privacy loopholes to pinpoint certain individuals for inclusion in
the confiscation program.
The ISRA is following up on leads in one case that has distrubing
implications. An elderly first-generation Chicago resident was recently paid
a visit by an Illinois State Police trooper. After asking to come inside the
man's home, the trooper asked if the man owned a gun - to which he replied
yes. The trooper then directed the individual to surrender the firearm. The
man complied with the officer's demand and the trooper left with the gun.
And the story gets better...
The gun in question was purchased legally by the man in the 1970s shortly
after he became a U.S. citizen. When Chicago's infamous gun registration
scheme went into effect in the early 1980s, the man registered the firearm
as per the requirement. However, over the years, the fellow apparenlty forgot
to re-register the firearm, and forgot to renew his Illinois FOID Card.
So...what does this all mean?
In the last edition of The Illinois Shooter, we reported on the activities
of a shady taskforce known as the Chicago Anti Gun Efforcement (CAGE) unit.
This elite squad, operated jointly by the Illinois State Police, the
Chicago Police Department, and the Cook County State's Attorney's Office,
supposedly exists to identify illegal gunrunners. However, information
gained by the ISRA makes it clear that the CAGE unit is targeting law-abiding
citizens, not criminal gunrunners.
Thanks to a ruling by a liberal federal judge, the CAGE unit now has the
name of every single person in the United States who, since 1992, lawfully
purchased more than one handgun in the period of a week. The CAGE unit
also has all the makes, models and serial numbers of those guns. In essence,
the Chicago Police Department is now registering guns and gun owners
nationwide.
The ISRA has also learned that the CAGE unit has compiled a list of families
where more than one person in that family holds a FOID card. Acting on that
information, the CAGE unit is now contacting gun shops where those families
have shopped, and is illegally registering all guns purchased by those
families.
Now, it appears that the CAGE unit is scrubbing Chicago's gun registration
list against the list of FOID card holders. Indications are that folks who
have let their registrations and FOIDs lapse will have their guns
confiscated. We have to wonder how long it will be until state troopers
show up at the doors to confiscate the guns of non-Chicago residents who
have let their FOIDs expire.
More later as this story develops.
http://www.isra.org/nsnews.htm
=========================================
carly101

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:02 am 
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Understood, carly...but that is not the issue within this message from MoveOn...it's about military-style, assault weapons. I, for one, do not think the general public should have access to these types of weapons...sure, they can be gotten, just as many kinds of weapons can be gotten if one wants them badly enough and has the money to pay for them...but the more hoops one has to jump through to get such weapons creates a form of protection for you, me, and for those we love.

I own two rifles and a small handgun...which I feel quite comfortable having in the house, locked up and secure. Neither my husband nor I are recreational killers of animals. The guns are simply here for our protection should the need ever arise.

I do stock ammunition, because of all the concerns about gun ownership, I seldom hear anyone expressing any kind of concern about the manufacturing of ammunition...without ammo, a weapon is virtually worthless.

And I don't care to admit carly, guns have never interested me very much, so I don't know a whole lot about them...any of them. My father owned guns and my brother is a gun collector. My sister is very gun-saavy...but I never became interested in learning much about them. I can clean a gun, load it, aim, and shoot...that's about it.

I doubt if the founding fathers who wrote the Constitution could ever have imagined the types of weapons that are available today to the average, American citizen. Had they been able to foretell the future and see the appalling spectacle of arms that we have at our command, they might have been a bit more specific as to what it really means to "bear arms."

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