Bush & Rep's moral relativism

Last week the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal gained momentum, and it appeared that responsibility for the problem goes to the highest levels of the Bush administration, we've watched the development of a Republican moral relativism. After seeing liberals criticized for years as relativists who supposedly can't stand for what is right, watching the Republicans fall all overthemselves making excuses for these horribly digusting perverted laspes in standards of civilized behavior seems ironic. We have heard over and over, "Let's not forget the horrors Saddam commited". He and his regime massacred his own people (25 years ago when he was the USA's ally, meeting with Mr. Cheney) as if somehow that makes the USA's criminality okay. We heard senators wrongly claim that if you were in Abu Ghraib, you had American blood on your hands, as if that makes brutalizing you okay (Red Cross and DOD reports state that up to 70 percent of the people in Abu Ghraib are there for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So much for being presumed innocent and the rule of law). The American people shouldn't accept this excuse from high government officials. As the Republicans are so fond of reminding us (when it's convenient for them) if something is wrong, it is wrong. No excuses.

I've been looking for a chatboard like this one, where many topics are discussed concerning political points put forth by the media, as well as other subjects. This is my first post and I hope lots of people will respond:

I've often wondered if Bush's Presidency would be quite so "fireproof" if he hadn't declared himself a "born again Christian." What do you all think?

Catherine

Fireproof as the devil is in hell. In spite of his pants on fire he has withstood the heat. I doubt, however, that being a born again christian will help him in November. Have you read this article?

http://tinyurl.com/2pkl7

Bush's erratic behavior.

Mr. G W Bush has decided to fill the national oil reserves to capacity. We have been at war since 2002, when oil prices were low and since we are at war we should have been prepared for every emergency. Yet Bush waited until gas was at record highs. I'm sure the oil companies are laughing big time all the way to the bank and will no doubt show their appreciation with huge contributions Bush's re-election campaign. Tax dollars are so easy to spend. Bush has proved that by going from a large surplus to a huge deficit and no end in sight. Think what it would have done for our economy if the billions spent on Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq had been used on home defense, improving our energy grids, schools, health care and child care programs, creating jobs instead of outsourcing them. Bush is more concerned with changing the world than improving our own country. His chief economic advisor said that it is good that U.S. jobs are going to third-world countries, because it is improving their economies. Evidently Bush, couldn't agree more since they have just signed more free-trade agreements. We still have more jobs to give and maybe he'll throw in a few million extra in aid. It's only tax dollars, right?.

Jeez...yes, we need to be sending jobs to those third-world countries...once they've "improved" themselves, they'll be joining the jihad bunch that bites the hand that feeds them!

I'm looking forward to the presidential debates. With Bush's inability to get out three words without mispronouncing one of them, he should be revealed as the bumbling idiot he really is...one more time. Of course, Cheney will be speaking into Bush's earpiece, telling him what to say! Maybe the earpiece will malfunction. Wouldn't that be a hoot!

Thanks for the headsup on the article about Bush's erratic behavior. Pretty interesting read!

IMHO, there MUST be a separation of church and state in order for democracy to survive, as the founders of our Constitution wanted when that document was written.

Religious zealots like Bush and Ashcroft are as dangerous to us and the rest of the world as Hitler and Himmler were during World War 2. If Bush isn't defeated in November, I don't think our country or the world will recover during my lifetime.

I hope Bush does as poorly in the presidential debates as he did in the April news conference...did you see that one? What a bungling, stupid performance! As I sat in my living room, watching Bush stutter, evade, squirm, and yes, preach...I was in turn appalled, embarrassed for him, and then sickened to think this person held the highest office in the government of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth. Scary!

[quote="Catherine"]I hope Bush does as poorly in the presidential debates as he did in the April news conference...did you see that one? What a bungling, stupid performance! [quote]

I try not to watch. Every time he opens his mouth, leaning on the podium on one elbow, smirking to himself--- I feel so ashamed! But you know what? It does not seem to matter to his supporters that he bungles. I read that his approval rating has gone up again, just because he said a few nice words about the dead Reagan. Although, there's no love lost between the Bushes and the Reagans. I hope, I wish, I pray, that citizens concerned about the future of our country realizes that Bush must be dethroned. We can not afford four more years of a naked emperor. It is not only obscene it is a travesty. -itsonlyme-

I remember that Press Conference well, that is the one he could not remember any MISTAKES he has made. It will come to him alright after November when he is voted out and back in crawford Texas, then may the press will have the balls to investigate and tell the masses the real truth about G. Bush Jr. with fear of reprisal.

I still worry that our nation's people have been hoodwinked by Bush and his Mob much like the Congress was when they voted to give him the power to wage war on Iraq, thanks to his lies and machinations. Those worries made me post my thoughts on Bush's apparent "fireproof" facade....his so-called Christianity, which he wears on his sleeve, his coat, and he'd probably tattoo it on his forehead if he didn't think body decorating was a mortal sin!

Where is the anger, the outrage, the loud and demanding outcry for his impeachment? Why are we so apathetic about this President? He's not a "war president" like Roosevelt was, although I think he likes to think of himself as the same, and would probably LOVE unlimited time in office.

There certainly was enough of an outcry when Clinton was ensconced in the Lewinsky scandal! I'm thinking it's mainly because the Congress is Republican-controlled, AND unfortunately so many Americans are so busy just keeping their heads above water, making a living and raising their families, what goes on in government has no real meaning for them.

However, apathy can become our greatest threat...next to Bush himself.

Catherine

[quote="Catherine"]
Where is the anger, the outrage, the loud and demanding outcry for his impeachment? Why are we so apathetic about this President?

I think there are enough people that are outraged. All the persons I know, in my social life and private life feel outraged by Mr. Bush ineptness. We also feel the frustration. But remember that in the case of President Clinton, it was the Republicans in the House that felt violated by his sex life. It was an excuse to impeach him and spend over 70M$ to layout the pornographic testimony. They had a Torquemada (Ken Starr) to carry out the conspiracy to hunt down President Clinton. If you read "Worse Than Watergate" you will know that there is a mountain of evidence to impeach the upstart, and usurper. The media is much to blame. They let everything slide. They helped propagate the lies. I hope there will be regime change here at home. At least I know of 8 persons who will not vote for him this time.

Hi, itsonlyme,

All the people I know aren't voting for Bush either, except for my brother and he'd vote Republican no matter what.

I completely agree with you that the media is to blame for giving a seal of approval by advancing many of the policies of the Bush administration. (Please see my post about Matt Lauer's interview of Michael Moore about the movie Farenheit 9/11 on the Media Board.)

AND please read this article reference I've brought from another chatboard. Seems like Jeb might be up to no good in Florida:


http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/5369/1/220

Catherine

In response to Bush&Rep's Moral Relativism:The Bushies can't have any moral relativism,because they have no morals at all.And in my opinion,the Bushies are'nt Christians any more than the devil itself.They are trying to distort Christianity the same way they claim Bin Laden&co.co-opted Islam,(with a lot of help from the CIA/Mossad.) AS for Bush's inability to put a sentance together,to either laugh or cry or both,I came across some really pathetic quotes you might want to check out,titled "Stupid Bush Quotes" at:(Http://chemtrailpatrol.com/cp- stupid-bush-quotes.html) Another creepy but right on target is a satire called,"Totalitarianism For Dummies"at:(www.lunch-break.co.uk) You gotta try to laugh a little even though there's not a whole lot to laugh about.(a little black humor I suppose.) As for elections, I hope we're not in for any real nasty pre-election "surprise." I've read on several sites that there is a "flag team" of high miliary brass who are planning to arrest the Bushies if at all possible.I believe one of the sites I read about this effort is Mike Rupperts website at (www.fromthewilderness.com) and his mirror site is (www.copvcia.com). There's probably articles at (www.rense.com) too if I'm not mistaken.But Rense and most other sites have a search site available,for their archived articles.Anyway,hope you find them interesting.

There is a devastating tension running rampant throughout this country that I have never seen before in my life. I've been around the world a few times having spent my entire adult life as a soldier in the Army. This is a unique thing that is happening in not only this country but around the world, from the fabricated "oil crisis" to the fabricated "war on terror". These are all only mere ploys at a massive money grab from the wealthy of the world and we are paying every penny to fill their pockets.
If you've noticed, the oil companies are reporting shortages in the storage of fuel reserves in Texas, this is because they are transporting massive amounts of the reserves from Texas to the underground storage facilities located throughout the country giving the illusion that our oil supply is rapidly being depleted. THIS IS NOT TRUE! They are hiding the reserves to protect it from the next "terror" attack in September.

DEPLETED URANIUM! Did you know that each and every soldier that is exposed to this will NEVER have a viable child when they return from IRAQ. They haven't spoken a word about this but this is FACT! When these soldiers finally come home, they will be very, very sick and many will die from cancers, radiation poisoning and the many other sicknesses related to this exposure to Depleted Uranium. Of the more than 100,000 troops in Iraq right now, my best guess is that approximately 25% will be dignosed with Cancer within five years after returning home. This is stuff that hardly anyone is talking about but it is a reality that will have to be dealt with sooner or later.

HI, ftw...

You are so right about a sense of tension saturating this country, and of course, what happens in and to the last superpower is going to effect the rest of the world...we're too globalized for it not to be so.

With your experience as a soldier, you and Skeeter can help people like me when we're discussing a military issue and that may be lots more than you can imagine because 'war on terror' is a part of EVERYTHING anymore.

We either have our heads firmly entrenched in the sand just like GWB,Tom Ridge, and the others surrounding Bush want us to, OR we're believing everything the media tells us, whether or not it's the truth because we're still functioning under the illusion that the Constitution is alive and well, intact with the Bill of Rights.

This site www.takebackthemedia.com, along with TVNL can help interpret many things for us. I'm still somewhat of a fledgling looking for truth...no, we're not going to hear about the cancer risks our soldiers are taking...are you kidding? We can't even see their bodies coming home in their flag-draped caskets! At www.takebackthemedia.com, you can click on the link and find out just who owns what news media...it's an eye opener!

AND in Bush's 2005 budget, he only wants to give veterans with the most severe service-related disabilities elegibility for VA nursing homes, thus reducing the number of VA nursing home beds by about 5,000.

Kerry opposes the plan, arguing that the "plan comes at a time when the demand for long-term care services is high." (Source: www.aarp.org/bulletin The May issue)

I know one thing, FTW...I've never felt so passionate about an election in all of my life...because I feel that our way of life is at stake...this is not just another Presidential election and I hope every American of voting age understands that.

John Kerry must be elected and then the public must demand that our media start behaving more responsibly. We must demand the truth from our elected leaders from the President on down.

Give the Bushies 4 more years, with their big corporation connections, including the corporations that own the news medias, and you've not seen anything yet like what won't be reported and what WILL be reported.

I'm getting my passport up to date!

Catherine

Catherine;

I agree with almost every word spoken with the exception of voting for John Kerry, Kerry is absolutely no different than Bush, they are life long members of Skull & Bones which means he is in bed with the Elitists of the world to include Ariel Sharon. The truth of the matter is that nothing will change until our system of democracy is overhauled from top to bottom.

The major problem of our current system is that the majority of politicians have been corrupted by the very wealthy in the world and until they eliminate the legality of corporate entities giving large sums of money to politicians, this system cannot be repaired. I think that we may be on the verge of a civil war in America. All that will be necessary is a trigger event such as the cancellation of elections, another "terror" attack or the declaration of Martial Law. Once any one of these three events takes place, MANY Americans WILL dissent and create a domino type effect with small rebellions that will be dealt with with a very strong hand of the government very similar to the events in Waco and Ruby Ridge.

I don't believe many people think this a possibility but I have seen this effect in other countries and believe me, THIS CAN HAPPEN HERE! We are so close to this becoming a reality, and it's really quite disturbing to me that so many are completly oblivious to this reality. Once a nation becomes so divided, it's only a matter of time before this division affects us all and we start lashing out in all the wrong ways, many have this Rambo type mentality that will become their ultimate destruction, this isn't a movie in which we will come out on the winning end, many will die trying this approach, it will though, have an effect on the way the government handles these many rebellions which could affect the outcome of our future. This is one life that we all only have chance to do the right thing and each decision we make will have some affect on the ultimate outcome of this almost inevitable situation. I do believe in God and he, I believe will guide us in the direction that we will need to go when the time comes.

Thank you Catherine for listening to my rambling, It's about 0400 A.M. and just got off work and this helps me wind down from the day.

God Bless FTW