Masters of Deception:
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Author:  buckshot [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:44 pm ]
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Author:  TheStripey1 [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:40 pm ]
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bucky's back with his usual "eloquent style of posting"... the drop and run with no commentary... so I'm not even going to bother looking at the story if you don't say something about it, bucky...

Author:  buckshot [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:04 pm ]
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TheStripey1 wrote:
bucky's back with his usual "eloquent style of posting"... the drop and run with no commentary... so I'm not even going to bother looking at the story if you don't say something about it, bucky...

stripeys back with his usuall drop and run rant. so i'm going to reframe myself from laughing at stripey today.

Author:  ECSMOKELOC [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:52 pm ]
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What is it that you dont understand about "Liberalism"?

Author:  shoeless [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:14 pm ]
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What is it that you dont understand about "Liberalism"?

Maybe it's this part :

liberal adj marked by generosity and openhandedness <a giver> BROADMINDED, TOLERANT; esp: not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

Most regressives have a real problem with such conceptions. Of course that shouldn't be surprising. Those who can understand liberal ideals are by definition, liberal progressives.

Liberal Progressive Brain

Regressive Republican Brain

Unfortunately, this body part of regressive Republicans has not evolved.

The brain stem is the oldest and smallest region in the evolving human brain. It evolved hundreds of millions of years ago and is more like the entire brain of present-day regressive Republicans. For this reason, it is often called the 'regressive Republican brain'. Various clumps of cells in the brain stem determine the brain's general level of alertness and regulate the vegetative processes of the body such as breathing and heartbeat.

It's similar to the brain possessed by the hardy reptiles that preceded mammals, roughly 200 million years ago. It's 'pseudoverbal' (example), but controls life functions such as autonomic brain, breathing, heart rate and the fight or flight mechanism. Lacking coherent language, its impulses are instinctual and ritualistic. It's concerned with fundamental needs such as survival, physical maintenance, hoarding, dominance, preening and mating. It is also found in lower life forms such as lizards, crocodiles and birds. It is at the base of your skull emerging from your spinal column.

The basic ruling emotions of love, hate, fear, lust, and contentment emanate from this first stage of the brain. Over millions of years of evolution, layers of more sophisticated reasoning have been added upon this foundation amongst progressive humans.

Progressive intellectual capacity for complex rational thought has made us smarter than regressive Republicans.

When regressive Republicans are out of control with rage, it is due to their lack of higher learning centers. If someone says that they reacted with their heart instead of their head, what they really mean is that they conceded to their primitive emotions (the regressive Republican brain based) as opposed to the calculations of the progressive rational part of the brain.

Author:  Alkemi [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:19 pm ]
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What an odd place to put that POS article. WTF! The evidence that Bush either was involved in or at least knew about either at the time or shortly afterwords is so public and so convincing (at least to me) as to preclude an article like that. Rather like trying to sell the *magic bullet* theory after all these years and tests and retests.

The trouble with this article is it avoids the obvious facts and points out the more *pod people* theories, thus damning the whole lot, the good with the bad. THis reminds me of Bush's mysterious AWOL episode, where 100's of legitiment documents were as a group discarded because of ONE forgery (which was late coming onto the scene, anyway).

Didn't Popular Mechanics try this lamest of attempts to back the *official story*?

While I have no doubt we will never know what happened on 9-11, there is plenty of evidence to support the idea that Israel was involved, and that SOMEONE in the upper levels of the federal government was at the very least used, if not activly participating.

NORAD stood down, when they did launch they launched at 30% speed. I have been looking for some time for NORAD records on intercepts, I can't imgine MORAD would perform so badly on two jets in one day, or three, or at last 4, one over Washington. How can ANYONE buy that? I am not a mathematician and I can tell you the probability of that ALL happening in ONE day is a *raised to the Nth* kinda number. NORAD doesn't *stand down* unless they are told to, and NORAD pilots on hot calls do not fly at 1/3 their max speed on intercepts. Even saying it is possible that ONE flight group did (the first) the second wouldn't have. Use some common sense here.

Add to this, the uncommon *fact* that the DoD was doing excersizes that day, the EXACT scenerio at the EXACT time. What are the chances of that? Unless you knew when the DoD was going to do it.

More bizarre is the film of the school. One building hit, ok the Secret Service lets it go, maybe a freak accident, and not serious enough to nab the POTUS and dump on AF-1 for a quick flight to anywhere else. BUT 2!!! Can we be serious here? The prez is in a highly public and known location and TWO jets have hit BOTH the WTC buildings. The Agents do NOTHING! They let Bush talk about goats.

Two facts, NORAD acted in a very strange and improbable way, and the Secret Service acted in a very strange and improbable way. Chance of this occuring in one 24 hour period?

6 Israelis are picked up FILMING the WTC collapse, and seem to be having a good time doing it. Their van checks positive for explosives, and has a fair amount of cash stuffed in a sock in it. The company they work for closes immediately and the owner scurries to Israel. All the suspects are released, and also return to Israel. They had some lame excuse for being there.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

Hmm. Wait it doesn't stop there! The FBI had this to say!

However, a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials.

"The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it," he said. "The conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs but that they could leave because they did not know anything about 9/11."

Now, back to Bush. Outside the hotel in Fl, it is 8:35 when his motorcade leaves for the school.At 8:46 we have the first hit At 8:55 he arrives at the school.

In an interview on CNN shortly after he states

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

He was IN the classroom when the second plane hit, we all see Card tell him about it. So is he watching before he goes in?

(BTW, he wasn't watching at the school, the staff there has confirmed that. Besides the time is wrong. Further, the thought *what a terrible pilot* watching the second crash, after the fact, is just too unreasonable for someone who has all the resources of the US at his fingertips.)

Notice I have not used any *conspiracy theory* material yet, this is all readily available public information.

This is enough information for me to conclude that something was going on in the Admin on 9-11.

I assume Bush was watching what the Israeli were filming, in his Limo, as he drove to the school. There was NO FILM of the first crash. That was all found days later. If he saw it (and he says he did), then am I wrong to conclude that something about 6 Mossad agents filming the occasion might be his source? Circumstancial, but worth of investigation, I think.

Author:  mga [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:44 pm ]
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i liked the "world behavior map"....when i have some time i'm going to read more about it...

Author:  DO.g's [ Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:57 am ]
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Speaking of the brain of the neo con. Have you read any articles on Leo Strauss? Type in Straussian Philosophy and learn what he thought of what was wrong with the Liberal brain/agenda. He states that it sews the seeds of its own destruction, and tells how he grew up during the Weimar Republic of the 20's. He was a major influence on many of the present neos like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and may be the father of the PNAC agenda.

Much as Liberalism is a bit lenient and allows the growth of factions like the fundamentalist right wing cuckolds, I see the seeds being sewn for America's eventual destruction in the policies of many presidents who felt that by creating a secret agenda of world financial and trade control through coups and friendly leaders, have underestimated the speed that the world is catching up to and becoming aware of these covert plans to undermine their economies and allow the American economy to flourish in comparison to theirs.

We can blame not only the liberal freedom doctrines but the restrictive and one sided trade policies of the capitalist conservative agenda as well. This is Strauss's main oversite as he helped shape the theories that are being made manifest by Bush and company, today.

Here are some of those articles.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le6750.htm

I like the part about Gullivers Travels in the third one. Very A propos as to how Bushand America see their role in the world.

Oh and Bucky did that change to show that he is at least willing to try and understand what the liberal mind thinks like. It is a bit better than his old Mikey Savage one, so give him a chance. I understand Stripey was once a republican, but came around. There are alternatives to Left and Right, just no one legitimate to vote for there yet. If we could just get Bucky to state his opinion when he posts, at least we'd know his stand and be able to approach it with some foreknowledge of how he'll respond. How about it Bucky. Rather than just post a site, post a site and a comment about it at the same time. Take a chance and defend your opinion.

Author:  TUTUTKAMEN [ Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:40 pm ]
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And Strauss in turn derived his philosophy from Hegel who was a firm believer in 'controled chaos' in order to create progress and become closer to God. Intricately involved with the Red Shield House and it goes very deep.

Now then, this satanic plot was launched back in the 1760's when it first came into existence under the name "Illuminati." This Illuminati was organized by one Adam Weishaupt, born a Jew, who was converted to Catholicism and became a Catholic priest, and then, at the behest of the then newly organized House of Rothschild, defected and organized the Illuminati.

Naturally, the Rothschilds financed that operation and every war since then, beginning with the French Revolution, has been promoted by the Illuminati operating under various names and guises. I say under various names and guises because after the Illuminati was exposed and became notorious, Weishaupt and his co-conspirators began to operate under various other names. In the United States, immediately after World War I, they set up what they called the "Council on Foreign Relations," commonly referred to as the CFR, and this CFR is actually the Illuminati in the United States and its hierarchy. ... un02.shtml

There is some history for you to absorb stuff you were not taught in school but on grandpa's knee.


Author:  Alkemi [ Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:03 pm ]
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I have always wanted to learn more about Strauss. The connections between the Neo-cons and the German political environment of the early 20th century has always distrubed me deeply. Every time I turn around there is some connection between these guys and the German social agenda that led to the Nazis. I dunno how much Strauss had to do with it, but there is no doubt he was schooled by the same ppl that schooled the Nazi intellegencia.

There is a lot in common between the Neo-con agenda and the National Socialist agenda of the 30's. Its been pointed out a million times. Funny how we see a German philosopher in the middle of it.

Author:  DO.g's [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:10 am ]
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It was all going so well until they mentioned that slimeball Icke. I mean we all evolved through Lizard brains. The guy reminds me of a scientist or a religious leader who finds a way to make money and exploits it. Where's his proof. Where's the pictures- of the aliens giving Bush a noogie or licking his ear with their long tongues? Just makes for filler fluff for desperate lonely people at wigged out parties. Rather read about Bohemian Grove as a real possibility.

I was enjoying reading a lot of probable scenarios, until it became an advertisement for that ickey slimeball.

Author:  TUTUTKAMEN [ Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:21 am ]
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Those references are not an advertisement for Icke it merely cross references his writting. There are a multitude of links and references on that site they never end. You have to learn how to read between the lines and extract what you percieve to be truth. And that can be done easily.

"A warrior chooses a path with heart, any path with heart, and follows it; and then he rejoices and laughs. He knows because he sees that his life will be over altogether too soon. He sees that nothing is more important than anything else." Matus

Here try this connection to the House of the Red Shield perhaps it will make more sense to you and be more acceptable to your views of history.


A goldsmith named Amshall Moses Bower opened a counting house in Frankfurt Germany in 1743. He placed a Roman eagle on a red shield over the door prompting people to call his shop the Red Shield Firm pronounced in German as "Rothschild".

His son later changed his name to Rothschild when he inherited the business. Loaning money to individuals was all well and good but he soon found it much more profitable loaning money to governments and Kings. It always involved much bigger amounts, always secured from public taxes.

Once he got the hang of things he set his sights on the world by training his five sons in the art of money creation, before sending them out to the major financial centres of the world to create and dominate the central banking systems.

J.P. Morgan was thought by many to be the richest man in the world during the second world war, but upon his death it was discovered he was merely a lieutenant within the Rothschild empire owning only 19% of the J.P. Morgan Companies.

"There is but one power in Europe and that is Rothschild."
19th century French commentator 1

We will explore a little more about the richest family a little later, after we've had a look at:

1. Niall Ferguson, THE HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD, Money's Prophets, 1798-1848


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