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 Post subject: The War On Iraq,No End in Sight...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:53 pm 
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No one in government,military,etc.
will end this war.Rather,this is planned for further expansion,
throughout the rest of the middle-east.
Anyone who votes for either of the
phony "two" parties,may as well vote for more war,and the obliteration of what rights if any,
we might still possess.
With all the irrefutable proof,available on the internet,containing years of documented evidence,I hope all will
put aside political party bias,
and dedicate themselves to critical
study and examination regarding the true facts about the goverment,history,and all related issues concerning us and the rest of the world.
If one undertakes an honest study
of all facts,one can come to no other conclusion.



http://globalresearch.ca/articles/TSU407A.html http://globalresearch.ca/articles/STR407A.html http://www.rense.com/general56/tommyfrankspredicts.htm http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080904A.shtml


There is a wealth of completely credible information available,which documents and proves beyond all doubt,the suicide this county now is confronted with,
if we do not reject this form of
government,and media,etc.

America,and this government along with all involved,including the mass-media,is and has been a
corporately owned entity.

If people truly want America to be really safe,please be as informed of the true facts behind all the
smoke-screens,now,while there may
be some small chance left.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:41 pm 
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Since the plans for this war were made years before the war was declared, it is not suprising that the end of the war is not visible. Because the war is only the justification of having US bases around the world.

Have the US moved their troops from Germany after WW2? They are still in Japan, South Korea and many other locations around the world. So why should they budge from Iraq after getting a foothold in there? :wink:


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 Post subject: Iraq wasn't a danger to U.S.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:13 am 
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“… the President just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate. … , he just said “the enemy attacked us.” Saddam Hussein didn’t attack us, OSAMA bin Laden attacked us, al-QAEDA attacked us. And when we had OSAMA … cornered in the mountains of TORA BORA …, with the America military forces nearby … , we didn’t use the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world’s #1 criminal & terrorist. They outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, who only a week earlier had been … fighting against us, … . That’s the enemy that attacked us, that’s the enemy that was allowed to walk out of those mountains, that’s the enemy that is now in 60 countries with stronger recruits.” ~ Senator John Kerry (Sept-30-2004)


During the debate G W Bush said that Iraq was the center of the war on terror. That’s just not true. John Kerry was right about Afghanistan being the center of the focus on the war on terror. Instead of getting the job done in Afghanistan which would be capturing or killing OSAMA bin Laden and destroying the al-QAEDA forces there, Bush unnecessarily invaded Iraq. And now terrorists are pouring over Iraq’s border from the surrounding countries of the Middle East to kill U.S. soldiers. These are terrorists from Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
While Saddam Hussein was in power there were almost no terrorists in Iraq. Now as a result of the war in Iraq, Bush has unwittingly increased the spread of terrorism instead of lessening it.
Bush also stated during the debate that Iraq would have gotten stronger if something wasn’t done. That’s just not true. Kerry said the sanctions, the north and south no-fly zones were working, the weapons inspections were ongoing. The U.S. was conducting air strikes when necessary. Saddam’s regime was getting weaker, and weaker, and would have continued to weaken. The assessment Kerry gave was accurate. When the U.S. invaded, Iraq could barely defend itself and crumbled from the onslaught.
Now out on the campaign trail Bush is saying that Iraq was a danger. That’s just not true. What Kerry said was in agreement with the findings of the 9/11 commission that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and no links to al-QAEDA, or involvement by Iraq in the 9/11 attacks.
Bush made a mistake when he invaded Iraq, and it has needlessly cost the lives of U.S. soldiers, American civilians, and others. The capture of Saddam was the only good thing that happened.
The danger to the U.S. was and still is from al-QAEDA, not Iraq. Bush should stop using misleading rhetoric, and tell the truth. I know, that’s just not likely.

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 Post subject: Iraq Was'nt a Danger to US....
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:34 pm 
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Hi,"Al-Queda" does not exist except as a phony front group made up of the CIA,Mossad,MI6,and factions within mility special OPs.
In fact,AL-CIA-DA in reality is nothing more than Physcological War-Fare,the classic BLACK-OP.
The real terrorists the US,and the rest of the world are being attacked by,are right here From Within,in Washington D.C.,and the Pentagram.Bush is'nt going to tell the truth,and neither will Kerry,Congress,the "Media",ect.
With all the Documented scources on the internet,Americans must stop depending on "news" from the Corparate Press,which would have made the KGB green with envy,and start putting in the time and effort to educate ourselves,if we are in fact, dedicated to truth,and taking our country back from these Criminal Cartels.
Bin-Laden,Bush buiness partner,did not attack us.There has not and is not one shred of evidence of any Arab hijackers,nor any hijackers at all on any planes on 9/11.
As for the 9/11 Commision,the proper designation for that disgrace,oughta be properly named,
The 9/11 Ommission/Commision.
As for Saddam,Bush 1's former business partner,it was not our right or responsibility to invade a another country to remove Sadaam.
That decision belonged to the Iraqi people,not the US.
What is happening in Iraq is a full scale genocidal slaughter,planned well in advance of 9/11,in large part to benefit Israel,and Combined Financial Interests,therefore the
"need" for the 9/11 treasonous attcks,also planned well in advance.
This is also serving the long range goals of stripping us of our rights,and the intentional destruction of the US.
Bush,Kerry,and all the above mentioned are the puppets of the international bankster cartel,and related interests.
As long as all the above listed remain in power,and not brought to justice,don't expect any positive change.
In the beginning of this post,I stated that it is the responsibility of every American,to research the truth behind all the smoke-screens and lies.As long as people keep letting the Real Enemies Within tell them what and how to think,the citizens of this country will,when all is said and done,be ultimatly responsible for the on-going,mass horrors committed across the world,and in the US,due to the Apathy,and Complacency,and the Inexcusable Ignorance,demonstrated by the majority of the population.
These are the True Facts,Americans must start Acknowledging and Confronting Now,before it is too late,if it is'nt already.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:57 am 
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Now that there's proof that there were no WMD'S before the war. Bush is saying if something wasn't done that Saddam wanted and would have built them. And that these WMD's would have been acquired by the terrorists.
As to whether Saddam wanted them, or would have built them in the future we really don't know. All Bush is saying is purely speculation, but he's trying to use that as justification for his war against Iraq.
The real fact is that Iraq didn't have any WMD'S since 1991.
Before the war Bush plainly told the U.S. that Iraq posessed these weapons, and that there was a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq. That was an intentional effort by Bush to mislead our country into this war. He must believe that part of the job description for being President is to mislead us, instead of leveling with us.

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 Post subject: AntiBush Website with Moving Slide Show Set to Music
PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:51 pm 
http://www.geocities.com/americanmom59/ ... 7009407000

This web site pretty much says how I feel. Bush had no valid reasons for taking us into the war. Each time his "reason" is discredited, he merely dreams up a new angle. I firmly believe he knew all along that the "evidence" they had was weak or distorted at the very best. He embellished it and milked it for all it was worth, playing on our upset following 9-11. Thousands of people have died as a result and all based on false info. Surely this must be a crime! He shouldn't even be allowed to run for re-election--what a joke!


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 Post subject: More Evidence
PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:40 pm 
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but Kay told NBC television: "All I can say is 'denial' is not just a river in Egypt."



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He was doing so with the intent of restarting his weapons program once the world looked away," Bush said. "Based on all the information we have to date, I believe we were right to take action." (CNN)


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John Kerry, spending the day in Englewood, Colorado, preparing for Friday's second presidential debate, spoke to reporters about the report: "Mr. President, the American people deserve more than spin about this war," Kerry said.

"They deserve facts that represent reality, not carefully polished arguments and points that are simply calculated to align with a preconceived conception." (CNN)


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But Kay told CNN television "Right now we have a lot of people who are desperate to justify the Bush administration's decision to go to war with Iraq.


At a town hall-style campaign event in Miami, Florida, Cheney on Thursday focused on the report's conclusions that Saddam was actively undermining the U.N. oil-for-food program

"He was using [the oil-for-food program] to siphon off billions," he said. "He was, in effect, corrupting the program in such a way that he was trying to buy support from countries outside Iraq so they would support lifting sanctions imposed on Iraq. ...

"It's clear the whole sanctions regime structure that was in place was breaking down -- he was undermining it.

"The notion we could have waited, not done anything, and sooner or later Saddam would not be on the scene doesn't make any sense."


At the same time, the report said that "the former regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after the sanctions."

As for nuclear weapons, the report found that Iraq's "ability to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program progressively decayed" after the Persian Gulf War ended in 1991 -- and a nuclear weapon would have been years away.

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"He had a lot of intent. He didn't have capabilities. Intent without capabilities is not an imminent threat."



Bush, speaking from the White House lawn before departing on a campaign trip to Wisconsin, did not budge from his position that Saddam had to go.

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"He was a threat we had to confront, and America and the world are safer for our actions," he said.


Democrats, however, didn't buy the president's position.

Sen. John Edwards, the Democratic vice presidential candidate, said such logic in the face of the the Iraq Survey Group's conclusions was "convoluted" and said the administration needs to "level with the American people."

"They think if they keep saying it over and over that the American people will believe them and not what they see with their own eyes," Edwards said at a campaign stop in Bayonne, New Jersey.

"But you can't fix a mess unless you recognize there is a mess. You can't fix a mistake unless you recognize there is a mistake."


Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, accused the administration of constantly changing the reasons it went to war.

"After the war started, the administration began an effort to change the subject of the debate from the actual presence of weapons of mass destruction to WMD programs, then to WMD-related program activities and more recently to speculation about intentions," Levin said.

None of that, he said, should detract from the fact that 1,700 Iraq Survey Group investigators looked at 1,200 potential weapons sites in Iraq and came away empty-handed.


"It is important to emphasize that central fact because the administration's case for going to war against Iraq rested on the twin arguments that Saddam Hussein had existing stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and that he might give weapons of mass destruction to al Qaeda to attack us -- as al Qaeda had attacked us on 9/11," Levin said.

Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, pointed to the administration's insistence before the invasion that Saddam posed a grave threat and needed to be dealt with immediately.

"Despite the efforts to focus on Saddam's desires and intentions, the bottom line is Iraq did not have either weapon stockpiles or active production capabilities at the time of the war," Rockefeller said in a written statement.

"The report does further document Saddam's attempts to deceive the world and get out from under the sanctions, but the fact remains, the sanctions combined with inspections were working and Saddam was restrained." Source: CNN



Perhaps the Republican Party that Bush and Co. have created will be changing their symbol from an elephant to a mule. Bush is as stubborn as one, and almost as intelligent.

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 Post subject: I am ashamed
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:18 pm 
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It's a dark day in America and the rest of the world. What a shameful disgrace that people were stupid and voted to reaffirm a mistake by re-electing that idiot George W. Bush.

We had a chance to elect a great president that John Kerry would have been, instead we ended up with a joke again. I hope that Bush's fascism loving voters realize what a disservice they've done to us all. Bush doesn't do anything that's in the country's best interest. It will only be "more of the same."

I'm not happy for America, and i'm definately not happy for Bush. He may be president, but not to me. I should have known that God would do something to crush our country's hopes and dreams. I didn't know he would be that cruel.

Let's remember a better day is coming when Bush's second term is over, or if something unfortunate happens to him and ends it sooner. Till then we'll have to "suffer the fool gladly." :wink:

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I'm sorry too, Mopeder....and our state (NC) went RED...but Bush will goof up...wait and see. He's too stupid to do anything else. Powell is probably leaving and Ashcroft (thank goodness unless he is wanting to go to the superme court...) Yuck! Iraq is just getting worse and worse.

How do you like the chatboard you've linked? Let me know, because I may want to post there, too.

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