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 Post subject: HipHop culture - obedience training ; conforming...
PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:18 pm 
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Our newest crop of performers are teaching people how to get along in this world, but its not a good thing. I am not one of those old bald-headed farts of the 60s who says Rock n roll is the work of the devil, but I am saying HipHop is the work of the Elites, working thru their minions in the Music Industry.

Have you seen a typical Janet Jackons dancer? What are they doing? it doesn't look very artistic, its just doing a bunch of un-natural movements all together. They are technically great, but its not any kind of art, or personal expression.

A typical job interview for a HipHop contract would sound something like this:
Are you willing and able to carry out instructions without letting your personal preferances get in the way?
Can you do as you are told, fit in with the others, go along with the group?
Because if not, then we will find someone who can.

I don't see any artistic requirements there. It could be an interview for Hitler's SS squads who round up Jews and torture them. What it actually is in this case is a matter of getting performers to influence whole communities to be pushed to the outside of society again. They either want us IN, doing their work for them, or they want us well defined and visable on the outside of society. Just as long as they don't start trying to re-create society to becoming a better place for all, a culture of vital , happy , healthy people doing sustainable living in peace.

Crime, gang mentality, violence, street toughness. These are the qualities that keep people down in real life, but in HipHop they are the hallmarks of success. Being able to portray that mindset as something you need to have, being able to glorify these traits, is the key to success in HipHop.

Listeners are influenced to be like that, its cool - see the sexy girls doing it on stage?> thats they way I want to be, and I 'want' one of them girls! Would I be able to impress her if I showed those traits? I can try.

African Americans and their gift of rhythmn and music are being asked to do this thing again. A very few of them will succeed, and get money for it, some get hugely wealthy like Janet Jackson. Elitism raises its head everywhere. It is still being seen as something to aim for, despite the fact that it is impossible for everyone, or even a majority of us, to be wealthy like that. Equality is as good as it CAN get, and "they" are succeeding in getting people to forget about that stuff.

For other performers, like the dancers behind the singer, it may be temporary success, but thats fine, better than squalor. Just do what is asked, bend your body any way they tell you too. I am willing to do it, just say the word!

This is different than that first great wave of empowerement defined by the rockers of the 1960's. They asked us to rebel against the military industrial complex, that system of elitism and power and control, and "get back to the garden". There is nothing in hipHop that empowers people, unless being the toughest criminal on the block is empowerment. That guy will end up in jail, where the Elites want all those who don't match the profile of an Elite memeber of the Wealthy. Or he will be dead, likely killed by others of his own kind, mostly likely black on black. Its not all along color lines now, they have us lining up as "anyone on the outside of Elitism" to kill each other.

There are many ways in which the Elites control ordinary people. Sex, drugs, greed , illness - these will surely keep us in our place if we let them take over our motivations. Anything but allowing us to see that life could be good, a life of equality and vital health, focused on the things that make us happy without drugs, money, sex and power over others.

Adventure, insight, love, sharing and caring, clean environment, good food and good health, agriculature based instead of industrial based living [what the civil war was about actually!]. People are not deciding what they prefer in life, and instead are just accepting what there is now. The more you accept, the greater your reward [money]. No options, no discussions, just variable amounts of success in the system we have. This is reflected in Rumsfelds mindset "the army we have, not the army we want". We deserve better out of life, instead of giving into the Elitist agenda for obedience and control in trade for some money.

The industrialists have had their way for over two centuries now. Agriculturalist cultures would not have these problems we have today, in trade for not having so much technology. Would you give up your "GameBoy" for a clear sky and a stable climate? That sort of arguement is kept out of the discourse offered by mainstream media and entertainment. And HipHop is training youth to see that there are no options.

Finally, the image of a people doing one of those old 'stamina dancing competitions' , to win a prize, comes to mind when I see Janet Jackson's performances on TV. The dancers seem to be "at their limit", working hard at pleasing their masters, and keeping their feelings to themselves, their own desires are buried in favour of pleasing their master. Who would really want to dance like that, what kind of expression is that? - its not any kind of personal expression, unless they have a big stick up their butts and are trying to tell us how that feels to them!! Its much more like work, like defying gravity, like showing others that successfull people will do anything they are asked to do. It is way to physically complex, contrived, and convoluted to be art. Its more like slavery.

The "Slave masters" want to further the agenda of the Elites. This means having controllable people to serve the Elites. Not too healthy, not empowered, no self-expression, and no dreams of creating a better world and only getting along in this one the only way they can - crime, hate, toughness, inequality. it doesn't need to be that way, but don't let the people know that!!

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Very interesting, Karlin...

My husband has relatives who are in show business in California...some of them are more "in" than the others are, but they're all pursuing one thing...that Hollywood dream.

Several of them have been quite successful...for example, one of them was closely involved with the production of the theme music to the show entitled "Dead...Like Me." Others have worked with PBS productions, as well as documentaries for that station. When we see them, I enjoy their company immensely because they're very talented and creative people.

I often wonder why they don't pool their talents and creativity to come up with something as unique as they are. Some people are quite happy playing a subordinate role, especially if it means working with a bona fide celebrity such as Janet Jackson.

Subservience, and the willingness to be subservient, is strange to me. :?

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It doesn't matter what part of the entertainment industry you are
talking about, when you strip away all the layers it all comes down
to one thing--->it's all about the money.

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The British Museum: World of Money

Money affects how we live in many different ways. Rulers and governments raise and spend money on behalf of the state. Money also affects us as individuals. We use it to pay for entertainment, as well as for the necessities of life.

Money and Entertainment

Money is often linked with entertainment. Sometimes this is because of what money can do. It allows people to buy things they want to have, or to pay to go to a concert or football match. Money can also be a source of entertainment in itself. The idea of wealth is seen as very attractive, and many sorts of entertainment are based on this idea. Many people enjoy watching game shows with big cash prizes, even though they do not stand to become rich just by watching.

Display of Wealth

Much of the attraction of money comes from the way it can be used to acquire power, material comfort or social status. Many people, both rulers and individuals, have felt that the display of this wealth improves their position. In many societies people have been reluctant to show off personal wealth, because of moral objections to moneymaking. For this reason, wealth is frequently displayed indirectly, for example by erecting a magnificent building rather than flaunting a great heap of coins or banknotes.

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Not all hip hop is bad. I personally enjoy Sweatshop Union. Not only do they not just sing about sex, drugs and crime, but they have this amaxing passion about them. Their songs promote independant thought peace, protecting the environment, and all around love.

This is their website. http://www.sweatshopunion.com/

You can hear some of their songs by selecting them at the top of the page. I suggest Labour Pains or Better Days. :D


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Very enlightening. I am a black male and agree with what you are saying. This genre of music has so much influence over every race because of it's popularity. I do see many rap artist who are trying to "rap" positively and change the stereotypical "thug life" mentality.


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Welcome, ZECKARD...to the board!

It'll be great to have your viewpoints, and I hope you come and post often.

As for HipHop music...I've never been into it too much, but I am glad to know that Rap is beginning to try to change its image. That's got to be a positive for everyone.

I like all kinds of music...except heavy metal...where I grew up and still live, music was and is a natural part of our culture. Ballads are a part of oral history that goes back generations. I don't care much for country music, but I do enjoy listening to Allison Kraus and her band...she just has a different sound, probably more blue grass, which I don't especially like, either, but Kraus has succeeded in blending the two into a smooth melody.

Celtic music, soft rock, easy listening, and some classical are my favorites.

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