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SHOULD SADDAM BE PUT TO DEATH BY SUNDAY?
Poll ended at Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:57 pm
YES 29%  29%  [ 2 ]
NO 71%  71%  [ 5 ]
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 Post subject: POLL: SHOULD SADDAM BE PUT TO DEATH BY SUNDAY?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:57 pm 
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Military officer tells NBC News Saddam to hang before Sunday

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Thursday December 28, 2006

NBC News reports that the execution of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein "will take place before the start of the Eid religious holiday, which begins Sunday," according to an anonymous American military officer.

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i voted yes.

the man was a butcher of human beings.

but i still don't agree with the circumstances that came about in the failed invasion to topple his government.

justice is supposed to be blind and balanced not the twisted and deceptive version that was used in this instance.

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I voted no. Regardless of who he is and what he's done, repeating violence is nothing but vengence, not a punishment. Punishment is leaving him in prison for 40 years so that he can consider what he's done to be there. Death is only an appeasment to others and has nothing to do with punishment of the individual. Once they die (usually quickly), there is nothing left. I think the death penalty is barbaric under ALL circumstances.


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I voted yes. I don't think its gonna matter if its by Sunday or some other day.

The man was a brutal dictator and I think he is getting more justice than he gave many under his regime. I can't muster sympathy for him. I just can't. maybe its a personal failing of mine but I just can't.


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I voted NO as this is a farce of a trial for many reasons. Death penalties are usually for the convenience of the sentencer and justice is the furthest thing from their minds. It is really revenge that motivates- just like 9/11. Instead of looking at the root causes of the event we are more prone to resort to our good old Meme about an eye for an eye, without even considering all the factors that make our decisions- we let our feelings and beliefs interfere with our reason. And so we go , civilized man steeped in his civilized violence. And of course, this solves nothing about the root causes of violence, it only feeds its existence.

Look back at this article from May, 2005
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/05 ... 88428.html

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....The trial is being held under American military occupation, which in itself raises serious questions about its legitimacy. American fingerprints are all over it.....The US created the Iraqi Special Tribunal; the FBI gathered the evidence against the former dictator; American lawyers chose and trained the magistrates and judges; the US Congress financed the whole operation with a $128 million (Dh470 million) allocation; while the US Army has assumed responsibility for protecting the proceedings.If putting Saddam in the dock with seven of his associates cannot entirely be dismissed as a "show trial", or as an example of "victor's justice", it must nevertheless be seen as a political trial. That is another major flaw....

The prime American motive for staging the trial would seem to be to provide a justification for the invasion an unprovoked aggression which has been denounced by much of the world as illegal under international law and a violation of both the UN Charter and Iraq's sovereignty.....If it can be demonstrated, however, that Saddam's regime posed a danger to his own people and to international security, then the invasion could perhaps be defended on humanitarian and security grounds as a "just war"......would seem to be the Anglo-American strategy in bringing Saddam to trial.

Another widely-aired criticism concerns the timing. What was the hurry?..... wise to hold a trial of such historic importance while the insurgency raged outside the court-room?.... sensible to inflame the Sunni community just when attempts were being made to draw it into the political process? Could not the trial have waited until foreign forces were withdrawn?.....would certainly have given a more authentic Iraqi colouring to the proceedings.


In the end the author points out some interesting facts and perspectives that most americans want to ignore and forget.

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But what if Saddam is found guilty for the atrocities at Dujail? He could then be executed within 30 days of the sentence, as the rules of the tribunal provide.

If this were to happen, the opportunity would be lost for a systematic judicial investigation of his whole record in power.

This would be a loss for history and for the education of the Iraqi people.

If the Iraqis are to rebuild their state on the rule of law, they need the trial to be scrupulously fair by international standards and they need it to illumine Saddam's whole career.

The trouble is that the Western powers not just the US and Britain but also France, Germany and other countries as well are in no real position to throw stones.

They helped Saddam in his war against Iran. They may even have encouraged him to fight so as to contain Ayatollah Khomeini, whose revolutionary message threatened to overturn the existing order in the Gulf. They sold Saddam large quantities of weapons.

Western countries supplied him with the ingredients for the poison gas he used against the Kurds and the Iranians. The US supplied him with intelligence about Iranian troop movements.

The US Navy opened a second front in the Gulf against Iran, contributing to the Ayatollah's decision to end the war.

In turn, Saudi Arabia and the Arab Gulf states largely financed Saddam's war.


Another serious charge which must be levelled against the US and Britain is that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, smashed the state, sharpened sectarian and ethnic tensions and fatally compromised the unity of Iraq and its future as a major Arab power.

When will the perpetrators of these crimes be put on trial and before which court?


Seeing how things have progressed I'd say the author was pretty well dead on with his prophecies!

Death penalties are wrong, for all the right reasons. On the global scale these tyrants should be made to live on daily with their past but incarcerated, not like Pinochet. This is what he means at the end. Bring the real terrorists from the ivory towers to the banks to the Downing street scum and the real mass murderers in the Blackhouse.

Seems like The Rulers that Be want the tyrant out of the way before he talks too much about their involvement.

FYI- It has been estimated that American policies and actions covert or otherwise are responsible for up to 6 million deaths per year in the world, especially the third world!

Yep, Saddam sure was brutal!

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I'm voting NO, mainly because Saddam simply deserves a lifetime in prison more than he does the death penalty. To someone like Saddam Hussein, the loss of his dictatorial power is the worst thing that could happen to him. He probably welcomes death. Since he's a Muslim, he is comforted in believing those 70+ virgins are awaiting him in paradise. To have to sit in prison for the rest of his days and contemplate his life, especially his losses, would be true justice. I realize that's not what's going to happen, but it's what I'd like to see happen.

DO.g's and lefty gave some excellent reasons not to execute Saddam, but I also understand Mighty's and rooster's opinions. Saddam was indeed brutal.

I'm also wondering if Bush will manage to gain a tiny rise in his approval ratings... just until Saddam stops swinging, probably.

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 Post subject: "It was an impossible choice. What would you do?"
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:27 pm 
"It was an impossible choice. What would you do?"*

I didn't vote because I don't know what to think anymore. If they were going to kill him, they should have done it years ago -- when it might have still saved some lives. And if they are going to kill him -- tonight it seems -- well . . . you know there are a lot of other people in high places here at home and elsewhere -- accessories -- who need to be getting killed with him. But my personal view is murder in real life is a big deal and there is probably a better way . . .

If I believed killing him would save lives I would vote yes. But I don't. Yet out of recognition for those he murdered and tortured, I can't vote no.

Ultimately, the cycle of violence has to be stopped. There has to be a better way, even when the true north of absolute morality can no longer be identified amidst the pornographic shitstorm of globalized fascism.

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well, like it or not, yes or no, saddaam is in the history books.

now, whether justice has been served will be debated from here on for years to come.

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Life imprisonment serves justice far better than death. Actually, death is an escape from having to live with one's sins and what they have caused in this world.

I agree with DO.g's post, although only DO.g's could have said it quite his way.

History has now been denied, our grand leaders don't have to worry about what Saddam could reveal about them.

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