*sigh*...THAT was the basis of your statement?????????????????

ok...i think it's time to get off the computer for a while...i'll go pour a glass of scotch and maybe then unwind with some Urban Terror.

Well let me start with this, every signer of every major charter of paper that formulated the origin of the United States of America was a slave owner.

Can you prove that.

Yes, the Signers all owned slaves...and women didn't get the vote until waaaaaay after black men did...and the writer of the beloved religious song Amazing Grace was a notorious slave owner. Ministers owned slaves. Some blacks owned other blacks!

The times were as they were. People owned other people. White men owned EVERYTHING, including their wives, their wives' property, their children, and everything else in between. But guess what...those days are GONE. Numerous wars have been fought for various reasons since those days. Do I think the government owes me reparation monies because I'm a WOMAN and other women of long ago were held in virtual bondage by their husbands and the government didn't want to acknowledge them as equal to men? (part of that ignorance was because of their religious beliefs, too.) Nope. Do I think the government owes reparation monies to blacks? Nope. They'd have to pay the Native Americans first, anyway...and what they owe them would make Halliburton look poor!

But...and here's the gist of the matter....if the GW and the Rethugs have their way, we'll be taken back far too close to those times. You've not seen anything until the Constitution becomes Bush's asswipe...and he's almost to that point now.

Cat

Off topic.

I tell my wife that I own her, and she must obey me. She tells me to go F@#k myself:) lol, God I love this woman.

On topic.

Very good response Catherine. I was going to write up something similar. It had to do with PROGRESSION.

Fiscal responsibility- Moronic Republican voters still believe that the GOP is the party of fiscal responsibility. They are deathly afraid of the "tax and spend" Democrats.

"DO.g's"]Kablam- and the feathers go flying.

There's nothing more satisfying than quoting scripture back at christians to show what hypocrites they are.

And then they have the nerve to kick you off because you quoted a different view of the bible than they wanted to project. But hey, we already know that the bible contradicts itself, so it is really a meaningless example of frustration and confusion.

We can’t wiggle out of this, people. Alvin Hawkins states it frankly: “This is a problem we can’t walk away from.” We’re talking about a powerful religious constituency that claims the right to tell us what’s on God’s mind and to decide the laws of the land according to their interpretation of biblical revelation and to enforce those laws on the nation as a whole. For the Bible is not just the foundational text of their faith; it has become the foundational text for a political movement.

True, people of faith have always tried to bring their interpretation of the Bible to bear on American laws and morals—this very seminary is part of that tradition; it’s the American way, encouraged and protected by the First Amendment. But what is unique today is that the radical religious right has succeeded in taking over one of America’s great political parties—the country is not yet a theocracy but the Republican Party is—and they are driving American politics, using God as a a battering ram on almost every issue: crime and punishment, foreign policy, health care, taxation, energy, regulation, social services and so on.

What’s also unique is the intensity, organization, and anger they have brought to the public square. Listen to their preachers, evangelists, and homegrown ayatollahs: Their viral intolerance—their loathing of other people’s beliefs, of America’s secular and liberal values, of an independent press, of the courts, of reason, science and the search for objective knowledge—has become an unprecedented sectarian crusade for state power. They use the language of faith to demonize political opponents, mislead and misinform voters, censor writers and artists, ostracize dissenters, and marginalize the poor. These are the foot soldiers in a political holy war financed by wealthy economic interests and guided by savvy partisan operatives who know that couching political ambition in religious rhetoric can ignite the passion of followers as ferociously as when Constantine painted the Sign of Christ (the “Christograph”) on the shields of his soldiers and on the banners of his legions and routed his rivals in Rome. Never mind that the Emperor himself was never baptized into the faith; it served him well enough to make the God worshipped by Christians his most important ally and turn the Sign of Christ into the one imperial symbol most widely recognized and feared from east to west.