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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:17 am 
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This is what I got from Wikipedia when i looked up FASCIST


Fascism (in Italian, fascismo), capitalized, was the authoritarian political movement which ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. Similar political movements, including Nazism, spread across Europe between World War I and World War II. Fascism generally attracted political support from big business, landowners, and patriotic, traditionalist, conservative, far-right, populist and reactionary individuals and groups. Classical fascism has also inspired contemporary neo-fascist organizations.

There is little agreement among historians, political scientists, and other scholars concerning the exact nature of fascism. Some scholars hold that fascism as a social movement employs elements from the political left, but it eventually allies with the political right, especially after attaining state power. A few argue that fascism is a form of socialism or left corporatism. See: Fascism and ideology.

There is also controversy surrounding the question of what political movements and governments belong to fascism. The most restrictive definitions of fascism include only one government - that of Benito Mussolini in Italy. The broadest definitions, on the other hand, may include every authoritarian state that has ever existed. Fascism is associated with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, and, after attaining political control of a country, a powerful, dictatorial state that views the nation as superior to the individuals or groups composing it. Fascism also typically calls for the regeneration of the nation and uses populist appeals to unity. Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism. He said in The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facism

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MMMM....this does have a familiar ring to it :shock: :)

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit


That is scarcey Buckshot. A democratic based website, instead of one controlled by the Corporate elite. GOD HELP US ALL :shock:


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Well Bucky, how about you finding me a "better" definition from a site that cannot be "edited"?

Be careful though - you might look up facisim and find "Bush administration" as the definition.

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Looks like that definition of Bushism, er I mean fascism, hit too close to home for Bucky's comfort.

Here is a source which corroborates the Wikipedia article. It is the complete text of Mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism. Sorry Bucky, I couldn't find anything on the subject on the Fox News website. I guess you'll have to settle for Mussolini's own writings.

Here are a few of my favorite excerpts.

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Benito Mussolini:
What is Fascism, 1932


The Fascist conception of life is a religious one...

Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual.

Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism...Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism...

Fascism...believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism.

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.

Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century.

...the liberal State restricts its activities to recording results. The Fascist State is wide awake and has a will of its own.

The Fascist State organizes the nation, but it leaves the individual adequate elbow room. It has curtailed useless or harmful liberties...

Fascism sees in the imperialistic spirit -- i.e. in the tendency of nations to expand - a manifestation of their vitality. In the opĀ­posite tendency, which would limit their interests to the home country, it sees a symptom of decadence. Peoples who rise or rearise are imperialistic; renunciation is characteristic of dying peoples.

Never before have the peoples thirsted for authority, direction, order, as they do now. If each age has its doctrine, then innumerable symptoms indicate that the doctrine of our age is the Fascist.

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Here is a chillingly familiar definition of fascism from the opposite perspective.

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The Danger of American Fascism

Henry A. Wallace, (Vice President of America, 1941-1945)
An article in the New York Times, April 9, 1944.


A fascist is one whose lust for money or power is combined with such an intensity of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends. The supreme god of a fascist, to which his ends are directed, may be money or power; may be a race or a class; may be a military, clique or an economic group; or may be a culture, religion, or a political party.

The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.

If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States. There are probably several hundred thousand if we narrow the definition to include only those who in their search for money and power are ruthless and deceitful. Most American fascists are enthusiastically supporting the war effort. They are doing this even in those cases where they hope to have profitable connections with German chemical firms after the war ends. They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead.

American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery.

Fascism is a worldwide disease. Its greatest threat to the United States will come after the war, either via Latin America or within the United States itself.

Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which money gives, do not hesitate surreptitiously to evade the laws designed to safeguard the public from monopolistic extortion.

The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism.

They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.

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Also check out this great resource supplied by Project for the Old American Century.

14 characteristics common to fascist regimes

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Wow shoeless....I like yours much better than mine!

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Looks like that definition of Bushism, er I mean fascism, hit too close to home for Bucky's comfort.

Here is a source which corroborates the Wikipedia article. It is the complete text of Mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism. Sorry Bucky, I couldn't find anything on the subject on the Fox News website. I guess you'll have to settle for Mussolini's own writings.

Here are a few of my favorite excerpts.

Benito Mussolini:
What is Fascism, 1932


The Fascist conception of life is a religious one....


Religious right?


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Here is a chillingly familiar definition of fascism from the opposite perspective.

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The Danger of American Fascism

Henry A. Wallace, (Vice President of America, 1941-1945)
An article in the New York Times, April 9, 1944.



The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.


The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism.



Current administration and FOX?


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They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.


Definitely the Bush and all....

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Scary shit, eh sadie? Did you check out the POAC site for the 14 characteristics common to fascist regimes?


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C'mon Bucky.....I want you to shoot this one down. Im serious. I want to see what you come up with. Oh yeah by the way HOW can wikipedia be edited there uh Mr. Server genius guy. You know Hitler had HOMELAND SECURITY. I love history, and it scares the shit out of me, becaust there are to many similar things between Hitler and Bush


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Scary doesn't even come CLOSE to describing it. How do you educate a bunch of idiots about what is happening to this country? I am a teacher and there are teachers in my building who LOVE Bush. It is beyond my comprehension. I would never be able to get them to go to this wesite and check it out. I would be told it is all lies. How has our society become so blind? We are going to have to have civil wars and riot against our government. We are going to have to march on DC but the asshole is ALWAYS on vacation!

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Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that relies on volunteers to pen nearly 4 million articles, is about as accurate in covering scientific topics as Encyclopedia Britannica, the journal Nature wrote in an online article published Wednesday.

The finding, based on a side-by-side comparison of articles covering a broad swath of the scientific spectrum, comes as Wikipedia faces criticism over the accuracy of some of its entries.

Two weeks ago prominent journalist John Seigenthaler, the former publisher of the Tennessean newspaper and founding editorial director of USA Today, revealed that a Wikipedia entry that ran for four months had incorrectly named him as a longtime suspect in the assassinations of president John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert.

Such errors appear to be the exception rather than the rule, Nature said in Wednesday's article, which the scientific journal said was the first to use peer review to compare Wikipedia to Britannica. Based on 42 articles reviewed by experts, the average scientific entry in Wikipedia contained four errors or omissions, while Britannica had three.

Of eight "serious errors" the reviewers found — including misinterpretations of important concepts — four came from each source, the journal reported.

"We're very pleased with the results and we're hoping it will focus people's attention on the overall level of our work, which is pretty good," said Jimmy Wales, who founded St. Petersburg, Fla.-based Wikipedia in 2001.

Wales said the accuracy of his project varies by topic, with strong suits including pop culture and contemporary technology. That's because Wikipedia's stable of dedicated volunteers tend to have more collective expertise in such areas, he said.

The site tends to lag when it comes to topics touching on the humanities, such as the winner of the Nobel Prize for literature for a particular year, Wales said.

Next month, Wikipedia plans to begin testing a new mechanism for reviewing the accuracy of its articles. The group also is working on ways to make its review process easier to use by people who have less familiarity with computers and the Internet.

Encyclopedia Britannica officials declined to comment on the findings because they haven't seen the data. But spokesman Tom Panelas said such comparisons, assuming they're conducted correctly, are valuable "because they tell us things you wouldn't know otherwise."

While some Britannica officials have publicly criticized Wikipedia's quality in the past, Panelas praised the free service for having the speed and breadth to keep up on topics such as "extreme ironing." The sport, in which competitors iron clothing in remote locations, is not covered in Britannica.

Britannica researchers plan to review the Nature study and correct any errors discovered, Panelas said.

Unlike Britannica, which charges for its content and pays a staff of experts to research and write its articles, Wikipedia gives away its content for free and allows anyone — amateur or professional, expert or novice — to submit and edit entries.

Wikipedia, which boasts 3.7 million articles in 200 languages, is the 37th most visited Web site on the Internet, according to the research service Alexa.

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