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 Post subject: now we know 9/11 was an inside job
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:23 pm 
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and what can we do about it??

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 Post subject: What is the answer to such a complicated question?
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Celticmist wrote:
and what can we do about it??


Damn good question!

Really, I often think about this. Will it ever be any different? Quite seriously, the future looks pretty bleak. How many times do people have to be asked to open their eyes? Will they ever? You know, most people are still in the dark. Why the warning lights came on for some and not for others, is another good question. One thing is clear - John Q. Public has been had by the The Zionist Plutocracy. Is the answer as simple as - there is nothing at all we can do and there never will be? Or is that just giving up without a fight. Without even trying? I think it is.

I can only offer what others have said and try and speak up and say my 2 cents worth. I feel if nothing else, I must speak out / up and try and reach people. Nothing can be fixed if people decide to do nothing. Remember, the do nothing people and the discouraged are the enemy's best friends. The discouraged part above is not not my words, even though I feel they are true. They are the words of one - Dorothy Anne Seese, Who is a freelance writer from Arizona. Her website is here: http://www.tech.com.au:8080/flagship/index.jspand you can also find her articles here: [/url] http://www.lewisnews.com/section.asp?ID ... +and+views [/url]

When talking one on one with a person, you may reach them and then again you may not. If you and another person (2 on 1) try, you stand a better chance. If you succeed, you have 3 and can do 3 on 1. I think this is the way to reach people and I know it works. Enough people and you have a group. Once the group is big enough, it can split into two groups and so on.

"Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko." — John Loeffler

I'm not sure if I'll be doing this much longer. How many times must I mention the lies, the slanted stories, the bias media, the lies that
support bigger lies and corruption in high places? I'm not even sure why I do it? The only reward would be to get back to a normal way
of living. I'm not sure I'll do this much longer because I'm getting tired and few listen or care what happens. I'm sure I will continue to be immensely pissed off at what is happening in this country and world. Maybe I'll just back off for a time, because I know I won't be able turn my back to all the injustice and wrongdoing. How can I do that if I'm truly a decent human being? No, I'm not discouraged, just tired.

Below, I've added some sites / info on change.

Don't be fooled ... wake up!
http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.html?content=articles/doors_of_perception.html

TV is not good for people - It is not good for kids. TV is a bad teacher!

Ask yourself this people - Have you used a TV and VCR or DVD to
keep your kids content? Do you always watch what they watch?
Have you ever asked yourself; what is it teaching them? In a sense, is it
their baby sitter while you are busy? What video games are they playing?
Are they teaching your kids to kill? Getting them used to violence?

http://www.adbusters.org/metas/psycho/tvturnoff/

Dude - There's more to the story:
http://www.septembereleventh.org/alerts/index.php
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/july2004/070204tenreasons.htm

Did you look into this at all John Q. Public? Did you ask yourself if any of it might be true?
Will your children or grandchildren grow up in a free world? What if the children ask you down
the road, what was like when people were free? Did you try to stop it from happening or
did you sit by and do nothing?

Ernst to Kaminski - Must see!
http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/1031-zundel.html

[url] http://www.lewrockwell.com/peirce/peirce40.html

Schools ..

http://www.johmann.net/commentary/unschooling.html
http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm
http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html
http://www.johmann.net/
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/aboutus/john.htm
http://www.homeschooloasis.com/art_john_taylor_gatto.htm
http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/articles/052800.htm
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/25/22950/4589

Keeping the populace,scared,terrified and paranoid.
Keep your eye on Bush ratings, when they start sinking, it will be that
time again. Time to ratchet up the fear factor. Be afraid be very afraid.
Got to keep Americans and the rest of the world in a constant state of
Paranoia to justify Bush. He has nothing else going for him,and would
be nothing without Osama.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/ash-m28.shtml
http://www.rudemacedon.ca/0405/0507-index.html

THE PERFECT ENEMY
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/03/John_Kaminski/25.htm

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face
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 Post subject: Reply To Sir-Irate
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:21 pm 
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Hi,Sir-Irate,first off,I want to thank you for the excellent info,and links you provide all who post here,or just visit the board to read through the posts.
I understand why you get discouraged and tired,I do to at times.But like you and others,after a break to clear the mind,I also feel its my duty to do what I can,no matter how insignificant the effort may seem.
Its my hope that those who read these posts,though many might not post here,will learn the truth,and will start doing they're on research.
I am one who agrees with you about smaller numbers of people,doing what they're able to educate others,in whatever way available to them,and that more will be willing to learn,as unfortunately,the outlook is grim at best.
As more wake up and start to realize just what has/is going on,
they will need information.
I hope most will not wait till its too late,(if it is'nt already)
to WAKE UP!!!
People have become so dummed down,and self-absorbed,that for alot,it will have to take something that directly affects them,(though
all this does,but they dont get it) before they will get they're head out of the sand,and open they're eyes.
But I hope there are more people out there,who are'nt so selfish,and are asking the same questions that have led those of us who have,for the most part,dedicated ourselves
to the truth regarding all of the issue we are/been confronting,and
are trying to undersand what is
going on,and all that is at stake.
As you know,and many others,that undertaking the serious study of all of world events,and the real truth behind them and history,is
necessarily a life-time committment.
When one needs a break due to the burn-out that is inevitable,considering what the facts are,then one should rest a bit,and start fresh and strong once again.
Keep up the posts,and all the valuable info.and insights you have posted on this board.

carly101

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 Post subject: In reply ...
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Hi Carly101

Thank You for your kind and informative comments!

Yes, we all tend to get tired and even discouraged at times. We the few, do the work of what should be the many.

I look at where we are today and I think back. I could see it all coming. The Palestinian's were winning the hearts and minds of people. They were getting to much attention. In a sense, Israel and the world wide Jewry were on the ropes, they were in trouble. Just check - World Conference Against Racism in Durban, South Africa. I'll add a few links below. Anyhow, something had to give, had to change.

http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive ... gory_id=12
http://www.alternatives.ca/article1371.html
http://www.antiwarcommittee.org/resourc ... ivest.html
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_conc1.htm
http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml

The day the world changed. It changed on September 11, 2001. (Implementation of Anti-terrorist Laws and etc.)

I knew the world would never be the same again. I knew for sure the world we all knew, the one we knew since birth was gone forever.
Look at the world today. Look at the USA and Canada and the new laws. They are very complex.They look like something out of Orwell's book - 1984. They can just pick someone up and hold them for as long as they feel like it. They can hold a person without charge. They can use secret trials, secret witnesses and secret evidence. How can one test documents and question witnesses? They can't. Guilty and that is that. Whatever happened to finding out the truth and a fair trial? When someone is charged under these new laws, they can't defend themselves in a fair manner. It's cruel and unjust! It also hides corruption and bias within the system itself.

How long will it be before more people (many or average people) are picked up and charged under these laws?
look here - www.zundelsite.org
and here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/sto ... 81,00.html

Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism

http://www.serendipity.li/more/muzher.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le6085.htm
http://www.israelshamir.net/english/shadowofzog.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, ... 37,00.html
http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/K20030806A.html
http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/jk_on_joos.htm
http://www.chomsky.info/books/power01.htm

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I can assure you that we are very active in getting the message out. Boots on the ground all afternoon in NYC passing out IPS dvds and talking to plenty.
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 Post subject: Word ...
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Hey that is great news.

Thanks for posting!

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 Post subject: IPS dvd
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I gave a copy of "In Plane Site" to as many firefighters as I could .I started with the firehouse next to Ground Zero and worked my way uptown. I plan to continue this with at least 50 more between now and next Wednesday. Kinda ironic that Bush will be watching Cheney's speech tonight from a firehouse.......... :lol:

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 Post subject: I see ...
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Good job Tapir !

You passed them out in the right places. Once they get going, they'll be no stoping it. They will have to try and counter the video.

I have that CD video and I've passed it out to a bunch of people.
I also made 20 copies for one lady. There getting around pretty good.

Here something else .. Have a look.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memor ... gon121.swf

Bush from a fire house huh? .. Ha Ha Ha .. What a joke.

Maybe this is a really good time for some of this stuff.
http://tvnewslies.org/html/take_action.html

Sir ...

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Inside job?

Wow.. you conspiracy buffs should spend your time on something that is real! Stuff another bowl and check into the Senate investigation about the Waco seige.


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 Post subject: what can we do?
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I'm glad to see Tapir passing out the dvd @ fire houses-- that is a stroke
of genius-- myself, living in L.A., I find that NOBODY SEEMS TO WANT TO
HEAR ABOUT IT!-- maybe it's too scary to contemplate for poor ol' John Q.
what I've taken to doing lately is carrying a black sharpie marker every
where I go, and writing a few simple web addresses on walls, where
appropriate:
letsroll911.org
policestate21.com

we are up against an insidious enemy that will obviously stop at nothing
in it's grab for total power.


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 Post subject: Re: what can we do?
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James JR. wrote:
we are up against an insidious enemy that will obviously stop at nothing in it's grab for total power.

Indeed.

Theocracy Watch wrote:
"We need to find ways to win the war" Karl Rove, President Bush's political director told a gathering of the Family Research Council in March, 2002. The Family Research Council is one of the most powerful lobbying organizations of the Religious Right today. Rove wasn't talking about the war on terrorism. He was talking about the war on secular society.

Continued here: http://www.theocracywatch.org/introduction2.htm

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 Post subject: what can we do?
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so... it's been almost 4 years since 9/11, and the country as a whole has yet to even begin to realize bushco.'s complicity in the perpetration of 9/11... can't blame the McMedia entirely, (although they are worse than useless), as poor ol' John Q. Public still refuses to face the truth re: bushco... it seems that most people's eyes glaze over, and their brains appear to shut it out when I try to show them what the truth is; that America is well on it's way to becoming AMERIKA thanks to bushco...

so what happened to our so-called Dept. Of Justice?... one would think the D.O.J. should bend over backwards to right the wrong of 9/11, and expose the truth...but no... instead they are bending over FORWARDS for bushco./PNAC... does this mean they are complicit? .. I say absolutely!
maybe they weren't part of the perpetration of 9/11, but they are certainly
part of the cover-up, yeah?...complicity...

when I was a kid in the 70's, I thought the FBI was cool... I had a plastic
police badge, and I wore an old tie and fedora of my dad's, and I went around 'investigating' everything... hmmm... where is our much vaunted
FBI now? ... busily looking the other way, if not actively suppressing evidence... complicit?... yes...

so what are we to do?.. what can we do?.. the McMedia,(and when I use the term McMedia, I refer to EVERY mainstream media outlet, from TV to
news papers), has consistently swept EVERY instance of bushco.'s involvement under the rug starting the very day after 9/11... does that mean THEY are complicit as well?.. I say, that they are the MOST complicit in the cover-up, as there once was a time when they would have
rubbed their collective hands together in glee at the thought of exposing the truth of such an issue,but now, sadly, are mere sock puppets for bushco... only on the internet are we able to find and disseminate info. on 9/11, and even then it is difficult to pass out web addresses off-line, as virtually every web address relating to 9/11 has about eleventyleven characters in it! (except for letsroll911.org)... thank God for that one!
it is easy to write on restroom walls, monetary bills, matchbooks, and
car bumpers...

so, I ask again... WHAT ARE WE TO DO?... we can continue as we are, furiously e-mailing one another, and posting our outrage in comment sections across the net, but I fear it is just preaching to the choir for the most part, yeah?... some how the McMedia has to be by-passed and John Q. Public made more aware of events outside his TV... anyone with any ideas on how to accomplish this, NOW is the time to put them forth...
9/11 was America's Reichstagg, and it would really be a shame to see the next generation in jackboots, marching in lockstep...

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Stay informed about the Citizen's Inuiry movement. Also...support Congressperson Cynthia McKinney. She has been very involved in the independent effor to expose the truth.

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James JR. wrote:
but I fear it is just preaching to the choir for the most part, yeah?...


I just said the same damned thing in another thread, except you used the phrase correctly and I didn't. :)

How's this for a hypothetical but utopian action plan;


Step 1 is informing yourself and others, others that are willing to listen. You have to find ways that are effective of presenting the information to your peer group. I'm 20 and adore music (doesn't everybody?), since my age group couldn't probably give a shit less about the status of our country until it smacks them in the face, I try to use certain music to at least spark some interest. Then again all it is, is our present and future, and our children's future, who knows. Continue working for a free media, tell people and media of other countries of american psy-media and intelligence control, understand the american people are responsible in other nation's eyes for everything that is occurring due to the political system we claim to have and that is a danger to us.


Step 2 is peaceful assembly and working within the system, calls for impeachment (on multiple grounds and multiple persons) and a thorough completely independant investigation of the whole. Until the political lines are not blinding the majority, and/or it becomes unbefitting of those who are hand-in-hand with the ones who are being accused to defend them, this independant party should be composed of two groups, one foreign and one american. We are divided not united right now, and most would be unable to handle it in the fashion that is to be seeked. The investigation should be wary of United States judicial systems or any superpower immediate ally judicial systems. The world court sounds like a fine venue, our government opposes it.


Step 3 is using the same idealogy others are using, those that control and manipulate us, our opinions and military actions alike. By disregarding the guidelines, rules and laws that have kept the United States in check so to speak for so many years before. Let me be correct, the Constitution specifically is not only being disregarded, it's being foreshadowed by newly imposed laws that do not have the ability to reign over the founding laws (i.e. Patriot Act I & II [The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003], breaching the Geneva Convention). Breaking the same laws that we ourselves have set, our government is not safeguarding the Constitution and our welfare, but destroying them and making them vulnerable.



Under the Constitution, it is against the law to overthrow the government or take military action against it, this government has been overthrown already and those in place are not those who have been rightfully elected by our system. It is also blatant that those who are in the falsely elected positions of power do not hold the constitution dear or any concern for the general welfare of the people. Those that helped form the government and the states are likely thinking our big government right now is deserved, the way we have let it slip. From "we the people" to a gigantic global warring government.

This would not be a mob trying to rule or takeover, but instead trying to achieve true safety and a better outlook, for us and the generations to come. Reform is needed.



trax, i'll tell you first hand that i'd be able to concentrate and reason more clearly on weed than i'd be able to on too much coffee, psychotropic drugs and all the brands of anti-depressants and other garbage the pharmaceutical industry is banking off of. This is a far stretch from the 60's, they were at the hilt of the sword whereas I believe we're near the tip in terms of corrupted corporation/government, and I hate to use popular terms but a "dumbed down" public.



Also, never confuse the globalists, with "Zionists" or "the jews" or let anybody else do it. I'm of jewish blood and if I were to see another attempt at genocide on the jews in america I would go down shooting. It's close enough to Nazi germany already, and there's enough hate upon other races and religions here to fuel a fire. Nobody that truly represents a religion for what it stands for would be for such things, not even satanism. Don't think for a second this is what Israelis or Palestinians want either, it's now something they're born into.


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