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 Post subject: Cruelty and Violence in the Bible
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Cruelty and Violence in the Bible
"Whenever we read ... the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind. And, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel." -- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason


"God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey. 1:31

God likes Abel's dead animals better than Cain's fruits and vegetables. Why? Well, no reason is given, but it probably has something to do with the amount of pain, blood, and gore involved. 4:3-5

Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8

God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17

God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor." 8:20

To free Lot from captivity, Abram sends an army of slaves to pursue and smite his captors. 14:14-15

God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10

Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6

Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:7-8

God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7 Gen.16:5-6) and tells Abraham to 'cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands Abraham to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14

God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13

Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only any evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10

Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

The sons of Jacob trick Shechem into getting circumcised. Then they murder him, his sons, and all the males of the city, while taking their wives captive. 34:24-29

"The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5

"And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24

Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19

Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12

God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23

God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4

"And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17

God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24

The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6

The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12

"For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14

God kills all Egyptian cattle with hail. 9:19-20

The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25

These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)

God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12

After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29

To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15

After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28

Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19

"The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3

God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6

If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26

Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

"The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16

Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13

Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21

God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24

A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25

If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28

If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29

If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19

"He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24

"The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29

God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8

Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37

Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39

Wash up or die. 30:20-21

Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20

Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10

God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35

If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20

Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3

God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9

"Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6

Burn the head, fat, and entrails for "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:8-9

"Kill it and sprinkle blood round about." 1:11, 3:2, 3:8, 3:13

"Cut it into pieces and burn it for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13

"Wring off its head and burn it." 1:15

"For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17

"Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6

"It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10

What to do with the fat, kidneys, and liver of your burnt offerings. 3:3-4, 3:9-10, 3:14-16

"Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4

"The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6, 4:17

"Pour all the blood at the bottom of the altar." 4:7

What to do with the fat, kidneys, liver, skin, head, entrails, and dung from your burnt offerings. 4:8-11

"The bullock shall be killed before the Lord." 4:14

"Kill it and pour out the blood." 4:24-25

"Slay it for a sin offering, pour out the blood, and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 4:29-31

Slay it for a sin offering, put the blood on your finger, and pour out the blood at the bottom of the altar. 4:33-34

Wringing off the heads of pigeons for God. 5:8-9

Kill the sin offering before the Lord. "It is most holy." 6:25

The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6

The priest must sprinkle the blood of the peace offerings. 7:14

Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27

God gives instructions for "wave offerings" and "heave offerings." He says these offerings are to be made perpetually "by a statute for ever." Have you made your heave offering today? 7:30-36

Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32

More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:2-21

Kill the calf, dip your finger in the blood, sprinkle the blood round about, burn the fat and entrails, and wave the breast for a wave offering before the Lord. 9:8-21

Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-3

If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 10:6-9

After a woman gives birth, a priest must kill a lamb, pigeon, or dove as a sin offering. This is because having children is sinful and God likes it when things are killed for him. 12:6-8

God's law for lepers: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32

God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:6-28

Sprinkle the blood and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord. 17:6

If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25

"Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." 18:29, 19:8

Don't eat sacrifices on the third day or God will cut you off from among your people. 19:6-8

Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2-5

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9

Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10

If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both. 20:11

If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14

If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16

People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough. He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 23:12-14, 18

Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30

A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16

God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight." 26:7-8

God describes the torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it," "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children," and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters." 26:16-39

All "devoted" things (both man and beast) "shall surely be put to death." 27:28-29

God shows his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51, 3:10, 3:38>

Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at uncovered holy things. 4:15, 4:20

God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4

"And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burned the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

"And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

Miriam and Aaron (Moses' brother and sister) criticize Moses for marrying an Ethiopian woman and thus breaking the law of God. But God makes it clear that his rules don't apply to his favorites, and he strikes Miriam with leprosy. Notice that only Miriam is punished, though both she and Aaron complained. 12:1, 9-10

More plagues and pestilence sent by God. God repeats one of his favorite promises: "your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness." 14:12, 29, 14:32-37

God punishes the children for the failings of their great-great grandfathers. 14:18

God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24

The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36

Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God has the ground open up and swallow Korah, Dathan, and Abiram "and their wives, and their sons, and their little children." Then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn to death 250 "men that offered incense." 16:20-35

After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13

Stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God might have to kill you if you get too close.18:3, 22, 32

God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7

God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God, since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. 18:17-19

The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. They are to be "a perpetual statute" for all humankind. 19:1-22

"And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6

God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24

God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his arrows. What a guy! 24:8

After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

For impaling the interracial couple, God rewards Phinehas and his sons with the everlasting priesthood. 25:10-13

God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10

"And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61

In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour." 28 - 29

Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins.) 31:1-54

God killed all the Egyptian firstborn. 33:4

God tells Moses to exterminate the residents of Canaan and destroy all of their religious symbols and possessions. 33:50-52

But if the Israelites don't kill them all, then God will make them pricks in their eyes and thorns in their sides. And he will do unto the Israelites as he planned to do to the inhabitants of Canaan. 33:55-56

"The revenger of blood" must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21

When a murder is committed the blood pollutes the land. The only way to cleanse it is to spill more blood by killing the killer. 35:30, 33

"The Lord destroyed them before them" -- the general treatment of the people who were supposedly displaced by the Israelites. 2:21-22

All nations shall be terrorized by the followers of Yahweh. 2:25

God hardened the heart of the king of Heshbon and so that he could have him and all of his people killed. 2:30

At God's instructions, the Israelites "utterly destroyed the men, women, and the little ones" leaving "none to remain." 2:33-36

The Israelites, with God's help, kill all the men, women, and children of every city. 3:3-6

When going to war, don't be afraid. God is on your side; "he shall fight for you." 3:22

God destroyed the followers of Baalpeor. 4:3

God brought the Israelites out of Egypt "by war ... and by great terrors." 4:34

If you worship the wrong god, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15

God instructs the Israelites to kill, without mercy, all the inhabitants (strangers) of the land that they conquer. 7:2

If you do show any mercy to such strangers, "give your daughters to any of them, or "take" any of their daughters, then you'll get God so angry that he'll "destroy thee suddenly." 7:4

God will kill those who hate him. 7:10

God commands his people to "consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity on them." 7:16

God will send hornets to kill your enemies, "for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible." 7:20-23

God is "a consuming fire" that destroys people. 9:3

"The blood of sacrifices shall be poured out ... and thou shalt eat the flesh." Isn't this the sort of thing that Satanists are accused of doing? 12:27

Kill those of other faiths. 12:30

Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5

If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." 13:6-10

If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down. (Watch out Salt Lake!) 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

Murderers and perjurers are to be executed -- "and thine eye shall not pity" them. 19:11-13, 18-21

"And thine eye shall not pity. Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." 19:21

God travels with people and fights in their wars. 20:4

In the cities that god "delivers into thine hands" you must kill all the males (including old men, boys, and babies) with "the edge of the sword .... But the women ... shalt thou take unto yourself." 20:13

"But of the cities ... which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth." Kill the old men and women, the sick and the dying, the blind and the lame, pregnant mothers, nursing mothers, infants, toddlers, and babies. 20:16

If you find a dead body and don't know the cause of death, then get all the elders together, cut off the head of a heifer, wash your hands over its body, and say our hands have not shed this blood. (That'll do it!) 21:1-8

If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die." 21:18-21

Hang on trees the bodies of those who are "accursed of God." They make nice decorations. 21:22

If a man marries, then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the "tokens of her virginity" (bloody sheets), then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. 22:13-21

"If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die." 22:22

If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." 22:23-24

Legal disputes are settled by a judge who determines guilt or innocence. No lawyers or jury are needed. Those found guilty will be beaten with 40 stripes. 25:1-3

If two men fight and the wife of one grabs the "secrets" of the other, "then thou shalt cut off her hand" and "thine eye shall not pity her." 25:11-12

God commands the Israelites to "blot out the rembrance of Amalek from under heaven." A few hundred years later God orders Saul to kill of the Amalekites "both man and woman, infant and suckling." (1 Sam.15:2-3) 25:19

If you don't obey all of the laws that are given in the Old Testament, God shower you with the curses that are given in the next 52 verses. 28:16-68

"Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body." 28:18

God will send you "cursing, vexing, the pestilence, consumption, fever, inflammation, extreme burning, the sword, blasting, and mildew." 28:20-22

"And thy carcass shall be meat to all the fowls of the air." 28:25-26

"The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and the emerods [hemorrhoids], and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst be healed. The Lord will smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart." 28:27-28

"Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes." 28:31

Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people." 28:32

You will be enslaved and driven mad in another country. 28:33-34

"The Lord will smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head." 28:35

You will be ruled by other nations, forced to serve other gods, become a laughingstock among your neighbors, have your crops destroyed by locusts, your vines eaten by worms, and have fruitless olive trees. 28:36-40

"Thou shalt begat sons and daughters, but thou shall not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity." 28:41

"All these curses shall come upon thee ... and upon thy seed for ever." 28:48-49

God will enslave you and destroy you with hunger, thirst, hardship, and all kinds of deprivation. 28:48-52

"And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." 28:53-55

"The tender and delicate woman" will be forced to eat her own children "that cometh out from between her feet." 28:56-57

If you don't do as God says he'll send plagues to torment and destroy you. 28:58-64

"The LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind." 28:65-67

God will have you sold to your enemies -- but even they won't buy you. 28:68

If you serve the gods of other nations, "all the curses that are in this book" will fall upon you. 29:18-20

"And the Lord will put all these curses upon thine enemies." See Dt.28:16-64 for some of the curses God has in mind. 30:7

Moses tells the people that God will destroy all the inhabitants of the lands that they pass through. 31:3

When God gets mad -- watch out! He'll starve you to death, burn you with fire, and send vicious beasts to devour you. He'll "destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." Not even the helpless and innocent are spared by this psychotic God. 32:21-26

God says, "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense ... for the day of their destruction is at hand." 32:35

God says, "I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh." Someone should take his sword and arrows away, at least until he's feeling better. 32:39-43

"And the city shall be accursed ... and all that therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live." God explains that Rahab is to be spared since she hid Joshua's spies and lied to those who were searching for them (2:4-5). But why was everyone else killed? Some of them were probably liars too. 6:17

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." 6:21

After killing everyone, "they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein." Only the valuables (silver, gold, brass, and iron) did they keep to "put into the treasury of the house of the Lord." 6:24

Joshua says that those who try to rebuild Jericho will be accursed by God, and will have to sacrifice both their oldest and their youngest sons in its construction. Well, Jericho still exists today, and is often considered to be the world's oldest, continuously occupied city. 6:26

If you happen to see "the accursed thing," don't touch it. If you do, you, your family, and all of your animals must be burned. 7:15

"And Joshua ... took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his sheep... And all of Israel stoned them with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." This is because Achan "took of the accursed thing" -- whatever that means. But why would God require that Achan's sons and daughters (and even his animals) be stoned to death along with him? The Bible doesn't say. But it does tell us that "the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger" when Achan, his children, and his animals were stoned to death and their dead bodies burned. 7:24-26

"When ye have taken the city [Ai] ... ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD. 8:8

Joshua and his army, per God's instructions, slaughter "all the inhabitants of Ai." 8:22-26

Joshua hangs the king of Ai on a tree until evening. 8:29

After Joshua kills all the inhabitants of Ai, burns their city, and hangs their king on a tree, he kills some animals and burns them as a "peace offering" to his warlike God. 8:31

God curses the Gibeonites to be slaves of the Jews forever. 9:21-27

God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Then he sends down huge hailstones and kills even more of them. 10:10-11

In a divine type of daylight savings time, God makes the sun stand still so that Joshua can get all his killing done before dark. 10:12-13

God tells Joshua to "pursue after your enemies and smite the hindmost of them." (Kick their butts.) Don't let any of them escape "for the Lord your God hath delivered them into your hand." 10:19

Joshua tells his captains to "put your feet upon the necks of these kings." He says, "thus shall the Lord do to all of your enemies." Then Joshua kills the kings and hangs them on trees. 10:24-26

Joshua, at God's command, kills everyone and everything that he can find (including babies and little children)-- or, as the Bible puts it, he "utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord commanded." 10:28-32

God delivers the Hazorites into Joshua's hand, and he knows just what to do with them: he smites them all with (you guessed it) the edge of the sword until "there was not any left to breathe." 11:6-17

"And Joshua did unto them as the LORD bade him: he houghed their horses." 11:9

"For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly." Notice that God hardens their hearts so that he can have an excuse to kill them. 11:20

"Did not Achan son of Zerah commit a trespass in the accursed thing, and wrath fell on all the congregation of Israel?" To find out see Joshua 7:1-26. 22:20

God is jealous and will never forgive you for your sins. "He will turn and do you hurt, and consume you." 24:19-20

God appoints Judah to succeed Joshua. The Lord delivers his foes into his hands and another 10,000 are slain. In the process, they capture Adonibezek and "cut off his thumbs and great toes." Nice guys. 1:2-6

"They slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it ... And the Lord was with Judah." (You can tell by the number of innocent people he killed.) 1:17, 19

The Israelite spies killed everyone in Bethel, except for the man (and his family) who showed them how to enter the city. 1:25

Ehud delivers a "message from God" to the king of Moab. God's message consists of a knife thrust so deeply into the king's belly that it could not be extracted, "and the dirt came out." Just another lovely Bible story. 3:15-22

God "delivers" more folks into the hands of his chosen people. "And they slew of Moab ... about 10,000 men ... and their escaped not a man." 3:28-29

Shamgar kills 600 Philistines with an ox goad. Praise God. 3:31

"The Lord discomfited Sisera ... with the edge of the sword ... and there was not a man left." 4:15-16

Jael (our heroine) offers food and shelter to a traveler (Sisera, Jabin's captain), saying "turn in my Lord ... fear not." Then after giving him a glass of milk and tucking him in, she drives a tent stake through his head. "So God subdued on that day Jabin by Jael." 4:17-23

For murdering her guest while he slept, Jael is "blessed above women." (Hail Jael, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women....?) 5:24-26

"So let all thine enemies perish, O Lord." (Let them all have their temples pierced by blessed women.) 5:31

When Gideon and his water-lapping companions blow their trumpets, God forces all the enemy soldiers to kill each other. 7:22

Two princes are killed and their heads are brought to Gideon. 7:25

For refusing to feed him and his army, Gideon tears the flesh off the elders of Succoth and kills the men of the city. 8:7, 16

Gideon orders his son to kill two kings, but he refuses. So Gideon has to do it himself since his son isn't "man" enough to do it. 8:20

Abimelech kills 69 brothers "upon one stone." (He was trying to get in the Guinness Book of World Records.) 9:5

God sends evil spirits that cause humans to deal treacherously with each other. 9:23-24

God smites Sihon and all his people and gives their land to Israel. 11:21

"Whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we [the Israelites] possess." 11:24

When "the spirit of the Lord" comes upon Jephthah, he makes a deal with God: If God will help him kill the Ammonites, then he (Jephthah) will offer to God as a burnt offering whatever comes out of his house to greet him. God keeps his end of the deal by providing Jephthah with "a very great slaughter." But when Jephthah returns, his nameless daughter comes out to greet him (who'd he expect, his wife?). Well, a deal's a deal, so he delivers her to God as a burnt offering -- after letting her spend a couple of months going up and down on the mountains bewailing her virginity. 11:29-39

42,000 men are killed because someone mispronounces "shibboleth." 12:6

Samson rips up a young lion when "the spirit of the Lord came mightily upon him." Later, when going to "take" his Philistine wife he notices a swarm of bees and honey in the lion's carcass (a Divine miracle -- or just rotting flesh and maggots?). 14:5-8

"And the spirit of the Lord came upon him [Samson], and he ... slew thirty men." (Samson might have been a decent person if he could have kept the spirit of the Lord off him.) 14:19

Samson catches 300 foxes, ties their tails together, and sets them on fire; the Philistines burn Samson's ex-wife and father-in-law; and Samson smites them "hip and thigh with a great slaughter." 15:4-8

"The spirit of the Lord came mightily upon" Samson and "he found a new jawbone of an ass ... and took it, and slew 1000 men therewith." 15:14-15

Samson, with God's help, kills himself and 3000 Philistine men and women by causing a roof to collapse, setting an example for Bible-based terrorism. 16:27-30

The Danites massacre the "quiet and secure" people of Laish. 18:27

After taking in a traveling Levite, the host offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine to a mob of perverts (who want to have sex with his guest). The mob refuses the daughter, but accepts the concubine and they "abuse her all night." The next morning she crawls back to the doorstep and dies. The Levite puts her dead body on an ass and takes her home. Then he chops her body up into twelve pieces and sends them to each of the twelve tribes of Israel 19:22-30

God tells the Israelites to send the tribe of Judah into battle and 22,000 men were killed by the Benjamites. 20:18, 21

God tells Phinehas to fight against the Benjamites, saying he will deliver them into his hand. So the Israelites kill some more people for God. 20:38-41

God tells them to go to battle again and another 18,000 are killed. 20:23, 25

God helps the Israelites kill 25,100 Benjamites. 20:35

The Israelites killed everyone in the city with the edge of the sword. 20:37

Another 43,000 Benjamites are killed by the God-assisted Israelites. 20:44, 46

The Israelites finish their massacre of the Benjamites by killing all the men, animals, and everything they could find in every Benjamite city. Then they burned the cities to the ground. (In this way God helped the Israelites make everything better after the rape and dismemberment of the concubine.) 20:48

To find wives for the Benjamites (they were unwilling to use their own daughters), the other tribes attacked and killed all occupants of a city except for the young virgins. These virgins were then given to the Benjamites for wives. 21:7-23
1 Samuel

"The Lord killeth ..." -- every chance he gets. 2:6, 2:25

"The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them." If God doesn't like you, he'll send a thunderstorm your way to break your body into little pieces. 2:10

God will kill those who sin against him. 2:25

If you piss him off, God will cut off your arm, consume your eyes, grieve your heart, and kill your sons and grandfathers. 2:31-34

God smites the people of Ashdod with hemorrhoids "in their secret parts." 5:6-12

God kills 50,070 men for looking into the ark. "And the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." 6:19

"I make a covenant with your, that I may thrust out all your right eyes." Deals like this can only be found in the Bible. 11:2

"And the spirit of God came upon Saul ... and he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coast of Israel." People do the darnedest things when the spirit of God comes upon them! 11:6-7

"Saul ... slew the Ammorites unto the heat of the day." Then he took a little break. After all, killing is hard work. 11:11

God delivers the Philistines into Jonathan's hand. And his very "first slaughter ... was about twenty men." Not bad for a first slaughter. 14:12

Under God's influence, the Philistines killed each other. 14:20

But later, Saul and his army kill all of those who had not already been killed. 14:36

God orders Saul to kill all of the Amalekites: men, women, infants, sucklings, ox, sheep, camels, and asses. Why? Because God remembers what Amalek did hundreds of years ago. 15:2-3

Saul killed everyone but Agag (the king) and the best of the animals. But still God was furious with Saul for not killing everything as he had been told to do. He said, "it repenteth me that I have set Saul up to be king." 15:7-26

Saul is rebuked by Samuel for "doing evil in the sight of the Lord" by failing to kill all of the Amalekites. 15:18-19

Because Saul didn't kill everyone as God commanded, God changes his mind about him being king. 15:23-26

To please God, Samuel hacks Agag in pieces "before the Lord" [I bet God enjoyed that!] -- after Agag pleads with him saying, "surely the bitterness of death has past." 15:32-34

After God rejects Saul for refusing to kill indiscriminately, he sends Samuel to find another king. David is chosen and anointed by Samuel, and "the spirit of the Lord came upon him from that day forward." 16:13

The evil spirit from the Lord
"But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul [since he was not murderous enough for God], and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him." But if God is good, then how could he have an evil spirit? 16:14-16, 23

David kills Goliath with his sling, beheads him, and carries the head back to Jerusalem. 17:51-57

David and Saul have a contest to see who can kill the most people for God, and the women act as cheerleaders saying, "Saul has killed his thousands, and David his tens of thousands." 18:6-7

David kills 200 Philistines and brings their foreskins to Saul to buy his first wife (Saul's daughter Michal). Saul had only asked for 100 foreskins, but David was feeling generous. 18:25-27

"David went out, and fought with the Philistines, and slew them with a great slaughter." 19:8

Saul kills 85 priests of Nob and all men, women, children, and animals in the city of Nob. 22:18-19

"David inquired of the Lord, saying, Shall I go and smite these Philistines? And the Lord said unto David, Go, and smite the Philistines ... So David smote them with a great slaughter." 23:2-5

David vows to kill "any that pisseth against the wall." 25:22, 34

"And it came to pass about ten days after, that the Lord smote Nabal, that he died." This was convenient for David who then took his property and his wife, Abigail. 25:38

"And David smote the land and left neither man nor woman alive." (No wonder God liked David so much!) 27:8-11

Saul visits a woman with a "familiar spirit" and she brings Samuel back from the dead. Samuel once again explains that God is angry at Saul for not killing all of the Amalekites. He says God is going to deliver all of Israel into the hands of the Philistines. (Since Saul refused to slaughter innocent people, God will slaughter the Israelites. Fair is fair.) 28:8-19

David spends the day killing more of those pesky Amalekites. They are completely wiped out again. (See 1 Sam.15:7-8, 20 and 27:8-9 for the last two times that they were exterminated.) 30:17
2 Samuel

David tells one of his "young men" to kill the Amalekite messenger who claimed to have mercifully killed Saul at Saul's own request. 1:15

Joab and Abner watch as the young men "play" a cruel game. "And they caught every one his fellow by the head, and thrust his sword in his fellow side, so they fell down together." 2:14

Abner smites Asahel "under the fifth rib." 2:23
(It seems that in 2 Samuel this is the preferred place to get smitten. 3:27, 4:6, 20:10)

When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29

Some of David's men kill Saul's son (by smiting him under the fifth rib, of course) and bring his head to David, thinking that he'll be pleased. But he wasn't. David has the assassins killed, their hands and feet chopped off, and their bodies hung up (for decorations?) over the pool in Hebron. 4:6-7

Whoever kills the lame and the blind will be David's "chief and captain." 5:8

"David ... grew great, and the LORD God of hosts was with him." 5:10

David asks God if he should kill some more Philistines. God says yes, and he'll even help. So David and God "smote the Philistines" again. 5:19, 25

Uzzah tries to keep the ark from falling off the cart, and God kills him for it. I guess it was God's way of saying Thanks. 6:6-7

David kills two thirds of the Moabites and makes the rest slaves. He also cripples the captured horses. 8:2-4

"David slew of the Syrians two and twenty thousand men ... and the Lord preserved David withersoever he went." 8:5-6, 14

David tells Joab (his captain) to send Bathsheba's husband (Uriah) to "the forefront of the hottest battle ... that he may be smitten and die." In this way, David gets another wife. 11:15, 11:17, 11:27

To punish David for having Uriah killed, God kills Bathsheba's baby boy. 12:14-18

David saws, hacks, and burns to death all the inhabitants of several cities. Maybe this is what is meant by "the tender mercies of David" (Acts 13:34). 12:31

Absalom has his servants kill his brother for raping his sister. (This chapter, which includes incest, rape, murder, should be rated NC-17.) 13:28-29

Poor Absalom gets his head caught in an oak tree, and before he can get free, Joab thrusts three darts through his heart. 18:14

Amasa is viciously slaughtered by Joab, who "shed out his bowels to the ground ... And Amasa wallowed in blood in the midst of the highway." 20:10, 12

"And they cut off the head of Sheba ... and cast it out to Joab." 20:21-22

A famine is sent on David's kingdom for three years. When David asks God why, God answers: "It is for Saul, and his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. "So God sent a famine to punish a kingdom for something that a former king had done. 21:1

To appease God and end the famine that was caused by his predecessor (Saul), David agrees to have seven of Saul's sons killed and hung up "unto the Lord." 21:6-9

"He teacheth my hands to war." Might as well learn from an expert. 22:35

"Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies." 22:41

The chief of David's captains killed with his own spear 800 guys at one time. 23:8

God offers David a choice of punishments for having conducted the census: 1) seven years of famine ( 1 Chr.21:1 says three years), 2) three months fleeing from enemies, or 3) three days of pestilence. David can't decide, so God chooses for him and sends a pestilence, killing 70,000 men (and probably around 200,000 women and children). 24:13
1 Kings

In David's last words, he commands his son Solomon to murder Joab. 2:1-9

Solomon has his brother (Adonijah) murdered. 2:24-25

Solomon carries out the deathbed instructions of his father David by having Joab murdered. 2:29-34

Solomon justifies the murder of Joab by saying that Joab also was a murderer, and that the blood of Joab's victims "shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever." 2:33

But Solomon is not done murdering yet. He has Shimei murdered -- or as Solomon put it, "The Lord shall return thy wickedness upon thine own head." 2:44, 46

When the ark of the covenant was brought into the temple, Solomon killed more animals than could be numbered. 8:5

When dedicating the temple, Solomon kills 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. All this blood and gore must have made God very happy. 8:63

Joab (David's captain) spent six months killing every male in Edom. 11:16

King Josiah is prophesied to sacrifice the priests of the "high places" on their altars. And he does so in 2 Kg.23:20. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 13:2

Ever the playful spirit, God withers, and then restores, the hand of king Jeroboam. 13:4

There were these two prophets. The first prophet lied to the second. To the punish the second for believing the first's lie, God sends a lion to kill him. Get it? 13:11-24

God promises to "bring evil upon the house of Jerobaom," saying he will "cut off" anyone "that pisseth against the wall." Then, after he is done with them, their dead bodies will be eaten by dogs (if they are city dwellers) or fowls (if they are country folk). 14:10-12

Baasha kills "all of the house of Jeroboam" leaving none "to breath." This slaughter was done "according to the word of the Lord." 15:29

God says that "him that dieth of Baasha in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth of his in the fields shall the fowls of the air eat." 16:4

Zimri kills everyone "that pisseth against a wall ... according to the word of the Lord." 16:11-12

When Hiel rebuilds Jericho, he lays the foundation with the body of his oldest son and sets up the gates with his youngest son's body "according to the word of the Lord." 16:34

Elijah kills the prophets of Baal. 18:40

God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites hands, and 100,000 were killed in one day. Of those that escaped, 27,000 were crushed by a falling wall. 20:28-30

There was this son of a prophet that said to his neighbor, "kill me." But the neighbor refused. So God sent a lion to devour him. 20:35

The prophet tells king Ahab that he, and his people, shall be punished for releasing Ben-hadad: "Your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people." 20:42

"Thus saith the Lord, in the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine." 21:19

God will "bring evil upon" Ahab and "cut off" all those "that pisseth against the wall." 21:21

Jezebel (Ahab's "strange" wife) "stirred up" Ahab to "work wickedness in the sight of the Lord." To punish her, God will feed her dead body to the dogs. (He also plans to feed the city folk to the dogs and country folks to the birds.) 21:23-25

Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings

Ahaziah was sick and sent messengers to Baalzebub to ask if he would recover. God was jealous of the attention given to his competitor and tells Ahaziah that he will die for asking the wrong god. 1:4, 17

Elijah shows that he is "a man of God" by burning 102 men to death. 1:9-12

God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head. 2:23-24

God instructs the Israelites, through the prophet Elisha, to implement a scorched earth policy on the Moabites. "Strike every fortified city and every choice city, and fell every good tree and stop all springs of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones." 3:19-25

In a desperate attempt to halt the slaughter of his people by the Israelites, the king of Moab sacrifices his oldest son as a burnt offering. And it seems to have worked! 3:27

Elisha not only can cure leprosy, he can also dish it out. Here he makes his servant (Gehazi) and all his descendants lepers forever. 5:27

"So we boiled my son, and did eat him." Women killed, boiled and ate their own children because of a plague that God sent, or as the Bible puts it: "Behold, this evil is of the Lord." 6:28-29, 33

A man is trampled to death for disbelieving Elisha. 7:17-20

God sends a famine on the people that lasts for seven years. 8:1

God says that the "whole house of Ahab shall perish," and that he "will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall." 9:8

"And the dogs shall eat Jezebel ... and there shall be none to bury her." 9:10

Jehu shoots an arrow right through poor old Jehoram's heart. 9:24

God has Jezebel thrown off a wall. Her blood is sprinkled on the wall and on the horses, by which she is trampled. Her body is eaten by dogs and all that remains of it is her hands, feet, and skull. God says that she "shall be as dung upon the face of the field." 9:33-37

All seventy of king Ahab's sons are killed, their heads put in baskets, and sent to Jezreel. He says, "Lay ye them in two heaps ..." 10:7-8

Jehu kills all that remained of king Ahab's family. 10:11

Jehu captures and then murders 42 men. 10:14

Jehu shows off his zeal for the Lord by murdering "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him according to the word of the Lord." 10:16-17

Jehu lied to the followers of Baal so that he could trap and kill them. 10:19

Jehu warns his guards saying, "If any of the men escape, he that letteth him go, his life shall be for the life of him." 10:24

Jehu, when he finishes his animal sacrifices, orders his men to "Go in, and slay them, let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword." 10:25

God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." 10:30

Jehu captures and then murders 42 men. 10:42

When Athaliah "saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all of the seed royal." 11:1

The priest has Athaliah and her followers killed. 11:15-16

The "Lord's people" destroyed the "house of Baal" and killed "the priest of Baal before the altars." 11:17-18

Amaziah "did that which was right in the sight of the Lord" and killed ten thousand Edomites. 14:3, 7

God strikes king Azariah with leprosy "unto the day of his death" for not removing the high places. 15:5

King Menahem rips up all the pregnant women in Tizzah "because they opened not to him." Does God approve of such acts? It's impossible to tell from this passage; the mass murder is simply reported without editorial comment. 15:16

God sent lions to devour the foreigners in Samaria because "they feared not the Lord," and even worse "they knew not the manner of the God of the land." Well that'll teach them about God's manners. 17:25-26

An "angel of the Lord" kills 185,000 men while they sleep. "And when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses." I guess they all woke up and said, "Shucks, I'm dead." 19:35

Josiah, apparently with God's approval, kills "all the priests of the high places" and sacrifices them to God on their altars. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 23:20

Even though Josiah did all that God asked of him, God still punished him and all Jerusalem for the acts of his grandfather. 23:26
1 Chronicles

God killed Er for being "evil in the sight of the Lord." 2:3

The sons of Reuben made war with the Hagarites and "there fell down many slain, because the war was from God." They did pretty well for themselves, too, in God's war, taking 250,000 sheep and 100,000 slaves. 5:18-22

But the Israelites "transgressed against the God of their fathers, and went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land, whom God destroyed before them." So God inspired the Assyrians to go to war with the Israelites. 5:25-26

Saul died for refusing God's order to kill all of the Amalekites (15:2-3, 18-19) and for consulting a witch (1 Sam.28:8-19). 10:13-14

The chief of David's captains killed with his own spear 300 guys at one time. 11:11

God kills Uzza for trying to keep the ark from falling. 13:9-10

David kills 7000 men in chariots and 40,000 footmen. 19:18

David's army "wastes the children of Ammon ... besieged Rabbah ... and destroyed it." 20:1

David tortures all the inhabitants of several cities "with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes." 20:3

God kills 70,000 men because David had a census. 21:7
2 Chronicles

Solomon, when dedicating the temple, killed 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. All the blood, guts, pain, and suffering must have made God very happy. 7:5

God kills the king of Israel and helps Abijah kill 500,000 Israelites. "The children of Judah prevailed, because they relied upon the Lord God of their fathers." (That is, they had God on their side.) 13:15-20

In the largest single God-assisted massacre in the bible, Asa, with God's help, kills one million Ethiopians. 14:8-14

"Nation was destroyed of nation, and city of city: for God did vex them with all adversity." 15:6

Whoever that does not seek the God of Israel should be executed. 15:13

God inspired Jehoram's enemies to steal his wives and children. Then he made Jehoram so sick that his bowels fell out. 21:14-19

Only Levites can enter "the house of the Lord". "Whosoever else cometh into the house, he shall be put to death." 23:6-7

God told Jehu to kill everyone in the house of Ahab (and then later condemned him for it (Hosea 1:4)). 22:7-9

The priest (Jehoiada) tells the people to kill Athaliah and her followers. So they find her and kill her. "And all the people of the land rejoiced: and the city was quiet, after that they had slain Athaliah with the sword." (Don't you just love happy endings?) 23:14-15, 21

Amaziah (who "did that which was right in the sight of the Lord") killed 10,000 people; another 10,000 he left alive to throw off a cliff "that they all were broken in pieces."

"Then all the people went to the house of Baal" and broke its altar into pieces and killed Mattan the priest of Baal. 23:17 25:1-2, 11-12

God makes Uzziah a leper for burning incense without a license. 26:19-21

Pekah killed 120,000 people in one day and enslaves 200,000 women and children "because they had forsaken the Lord God of their fathers." 28:6, 8

The priests kill bullocks, rams, and lambs. The blood of the dead animals is then sprinkled on the altars. 29:22, 24

God sent an angel to kill the Assyrian army. (According to 2 Kg.19:35 the angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers who woke the next morning to discover that they were dead.) 32:21

God vows to "bring evil upon this place ... even all the curses that are written in the book." He says his "wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched." 34:24-25, 28

God gets angry with his people, so he sends the king of the Chaldees to kill all the "young men with the sword." He has compassion for no one, not even old men that are "stooped for age." In his tender mercy and loving kindness he has them all slaughtered. 36:16-17

Esther has two men "hanged on a tree." 2:22-23

Esther has another man (Haman) hung. 7:6, 10

Esther suggests that the ten sons of Haman should also be hanged. So "they hanged Haman's ten sons. 9:13-14

The Jews kill 75,000. 9:16

To start off God and Satan's gruesome game, Job's slaves and animals are killed. 1:14-17

God (or Satan -- it's hard to tell them apart) sends a wind that kills Job's sons and daughters. 1:18-19

"So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." 2:7

Because of God's cruel wager with Satan, Job curses the day he was born. 3:1-3, 11

God terrorizes people with arrows and poison. 6:4

God terrifies people by sending them nightmares while they sleep. 7:14

Speaking of God, Job says: "He teareth me in his wrath, who hateth me: he gnasheth upon me with his teeth." 16:9

If you ask God, he'll force heathens to be your slaves and help you "dash them in pieces." 2:8-9

God has smitten his "enemies upon the cheek bone" and has "broken the teeth of the ungodly." 3:7

Kiss the Son or God will get angry and might have to kill you. 2:12

Christians often say that one should love the sinner but hate the sin. Perhaps, but God hates sinners and plans to destroy them. 5:5-6

God has prepared deadly weapons (swords, bows, etc.) and plans to use them. 7:11-13

God will rain fire and brimstone on "wicked" folks. 11:6

The God of peace teaches us how to kill our neighbors in war. 18:34

If you make God angry, he'll burn you and your children to death. 21:9-10

God will shoot his adversaries in the back with his arrows. 21:12

A sweet prayer for the destruction of one's enemies: Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.... Let destruction come upon him at unawares." 35:6,8

God laughs at those that he will later torment. 37:13

If you forget God, God will tear you into pieces. 50:22

If you don't trust in God, he'll kill you and while you're dying the "righteous" will laugh at you. 52:5-7

Referring to his enemies, the psalmist says: "Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell." 55:15

The psalmist devoutly prays: "Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth ... let them be cut in pieces." 58:6-7

The psalmist asks God to kill all "the heathen" and not show them any mercy. 59:5

God will laugh at the heathen as he kills them. 59:8

"The righteous" will rejoice when he sees "the wicked" being dismembered by God. He'll even get a chance to wash his feet in their blood. Now that's entertainment! 58:10

"The God of mercy" will let the psalmist see his enemies tormented. 59:10

"Consume them in thy wrath, consume them." -- more sweet prayers to a savage god. 59:13

God will "wound the head of his enemies" so that the righteous can wash their feet "in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." 68:21, 23

The psalmist prays that his enemies be tormented and blinded by God. He asks God to "make their loins continually to shake." 69:23-28

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well i would rather believe in hell and find out i was wrong then not believe in it and find out i was wrong.

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Tell you what Buckshot. Because you were not nasty in your response, I will remain civil.

Listen man. If YOU want to follow the bible, and believe in YOUR version of God, then hey, that is fine by me. More power to you. I will be the first one to tell you that there are some very, very good Christian people out there.

The problem that I have is when YOU, and those who are like yourself attempt to FORCE YOUR views upon others. I'm taking all politics out of this right now, we are talking purely on the religious aspect of it.

Don't you think that the issues that you seem so fevered about are issues between the people who are committing these "sins" and your God? I'm not saying this in a nasty way, but when did God come visit you and say that he wanted you to smite all those who do not follow his rules? Do you follow all of the rules written in the bible? If not, then as you have said to me in the past, who are you to judge?

Isn't it written in the bible that people have a choice of following God or not following? If they choose not to follow, and it turns out that what you believe to be true is true, then is it not God who is meant to pass the judgement, and not yourself?

Please, feel free to practice your religion. Go to church, read the bible, go to meetings, do whatever you want. Please though, do NOT try to force it down the throat of people who do not believe.

I do not believe in your version of God Buckshot. I cannot because to ME (I stress this, ME, not you) it is irrational. There is no sense in it. I'm sorry, I cannot follow on blind faith from a book that is obviously flawed. I cannot follow a religion that has been proven wrong so many times. I cannot follow a religion that has committed so many atrocity's in the name of this God that they follow.

I DO have a problem with the word God (as portrayed by the churches) on public display. To me, their version of God is soiled and vile. I want nothing to do with it, and I do not want it to be FORCED upon my family. Yet this is done all the time. The word God is just that, a word, created by man and like so many other words, this word has transformed into something that represents the ugly depravity of mankind who use this word in order to promote much suffering around the world.

No, I am not singling out Christianity, I feel the same about pretty much all religions. I suppose that the closest views to mine would be the Buddhists. We are all one. I don't hear of many Buddhists running rampant around the world committing mass murder, torture, and other horrible things to other humans in the name of their God.

I also think that it is very naive of us to believe that there is only one universe. To me this is the equivalent of saying that the world is flat, or the center of the universe. Science is just as bad as the old world churches where when they would kill people if they opposed their view that the world was flat. Hearsay!!!!

There is still so much that we have to learn not just about ourselves, but about everything, if you think about it, it is mind boggling. To claim that we know something as a certainty is utter foolishness when in fact we know almost nothing.

Instead of allowing ourselves to expand though, what do we do? We fight wars, kill our land, and allow people to suffer. This is not God's doing, this is our own doing. How many MILLIONS have died because of one religion or another. How many MILLIONS have died because those doing the killing thought that it was their God given right take what they wanted because THIER belief in God is the only truth in this silly little world.

Feel free to worship your God, please, but unless someone is doing something that is harmful to others, then stay out of it. You seem to have a fascination with the gay society. How about this, if you don't like it, then don't live in that way, that is all. They are doing nothing to harm you personally so what business is it of yours? They are not fighting to force their way of life upon you. They are fighting to be recognized as humans.

Their fight is the equivalent to that of the civil rights movements, or woman's suffrage. They all just wanted to be considered equal. Is this such a terrible thing, or do you think that we should move back to those days? (The bible does allow slavery)

Say that you are right, and your version of God is the correct God. Then please, feel self confident that you are going to heaven, and anyone who doesn't believe what you do are going to hell. We are heathens who will get what we deserve and because you are pure and holy, you will go to heaven.

While doing that, please don't try to help me. I am willing to face my sentence on my own, for better or worse. Stop trying to force people to believe in the unbelievable.

The war to end all wars can only be fought on the front-lines of the mind.

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well crimnson i'm sorry if you feel that i'm forcing God on you.thats not the type of person i am. i only intended to share with you or anybody else that there is more to death than a slow ride in a herse.there's more to life than searching for other galaxy's . i don't know about you but deep down inside you don't have the slightest hope or dream that there is more. and that if you heard that a man was crucified and died for you , to give you a chance at something better and wouldn't even give him a chance or atleast hear him out.i can't in no way tell you what or who to believe in and no government or country can either, only you can decide what you want to believe in but what i do know is that if you just talk to God and just ask him not a man but God himself i promise he will show you what you have been missing.don't believe me i'm just a man like yourself . talk to God and he will show you easy way to start off is... "God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!"

find out for yourself crimnson , you seem to be a very smart person with a good head on your shoulders . you seem to be a person always out for the truth so why not search a little deeper . i'll even make a deal with you if you atleast give it an honest try i'll i'll respond or give an honest try to any subject ,political figure. or whatever you want me to better myself on in your view of the world.

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I HAVE followed the path that you are on. I explored it for years. I was forced to dismiss it based on many reasons.

Do you realize that if we were to take the bible literally, it would be warranted for every single one of us to be stoned to death? Since we don't seem to like this, what shall we do? Shall we only follow some parts, but not others? How about some of the other things that have proven to be false through science? (Yes, I realize that science is not perfect either, but there are some thing that they have proven beyond a reasonable doubt). What do we pick and choose? Do we follow all of the bible? How about 3/4, or a half, or a quarter?

Do you realize that every single person who go's to church is breaking the rules of Jesus? Here, let me show you.

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

There is only one prayer that all are supposed to say, and he says that is should be said in private, in your closet so that no others may see this. All others are hypocrites!!!

What makes you think that I do not believe in God just because I believe that what other men teach is wrong, or that the bible was written by men, in mans hand, with mans flaws? These are not minor flaws that I see, these are glaring flaws that have proved to be outright falsehoods.

Shouldn't I instead CHOOSE to seek God on my own as he intended rather than believe words written by other men, and put in a book by other men? No where in the bible do I see the statement that God said "I give thee this book to be called the bible that ye must follow".

I follow the 10 commandments to the best of my ability, I attempt to avoid the 7 deadly sins, and I attempt to walk IN God.

This is a key difference that we have. I believe that man has separated themselves from God making God an entity that is far removed from us. I disagree with this. We are IN God. We are a part of God, just as is everything. When I die, I do not just disappear, I am absorbed back into the WHOLE to once again be used as God sees fit. I guess that this would be what I consider to be heaven.

Another difference that we have is that I believe that it is up to an individual to live as they see fit, as long as it does nothing to harm another. I do not believe that it is my job to force my belief's of God upon another human. I do believe that it is up to that person to have a choice, and if I don't agree with that person, then it is my choice to not associate with them.

My soul purpose is to continue striving for the TRUTH, and if someone happens to join me in my travels, then all the better. I honestly don't care if that person is black, white, gay, straight, Christian, Muslim, or anything else, as long as they are doing as we should all be doing which is to continuing to seek the TRUTH.

I am frustrated with organized religions because instead of continuing to expand their understanding, they have become stagnant and refuse to allow themselves to evolve. Can you not see how much better humanity can be if we would move away from these organized religions? Once again, I am not singling out Christianity on this, this is pretty much all encompassing of all the organized religions, each one positive that they are right, and proving this through the use of force and coercion. I find this disgusting.

As far as our differences in the political spectrum, I can honestly say that I am baffled by your beliefs. Personally, I really don't like any politics. If you notice, most of the times I am not supporting one party or the other. Most of what I propose as far as equality, peace, prosperity, and the well being of all mankind, I would think that being a Christian, you would support these things? Instead though, because of religious bias, it appears that you are willing to sacrifice all that I speak of because (for example) you do not believe that two men or women should live together or because you support the attempt of the religious right to force their beliefs upon me. Because of these reasons you are a staunch supporter of an administration which is putting us on a fast track towards hell on earth?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a pacifist. Unfortunately I do believe that there are times when you must defend yourself, and must fight for what is right. Right now, what I see going on is wrong, and I must fight it, my conscious allows me no other option. Although you may not believe me, it is not one party or another that I am fighting against, it is the system which they have created. When I put up something that is in opposition of the administration which is now in power, I do it because they are the ones who are NOW IN POWER. I see no point whatsoever of bringing up something from the past.

I personally did not like Clinton, and it was not because of the Monica scandal which I thought was silly. It was because of other things. That was then, this is now. I can no longer fight against the corruption of the past. I have to stay in the present, and hopefully make a better future which appears to be less and less likely because we may not have a chance unless people wake the hell up which also appears to be unlikely.

I want what is best for humanity, and this does not include one religion or another. For some reason, in my naivety, I have a hope that people will just start doing what is right for the benefit of humanity, and stop adhering to their own selfish desires and ideology. Perhaps with this next war this will come about. I could be that this is what is needed to wake people up. To bad humanity is so hard headed.

The war to end all wars can only be fought on the front-lines of the mind.

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one of my biggest problem is that you cannot get a woman pregnant without fertilization. It is impossible to get pregnant yourself. So mother mary was a virgin and got pregnant by herself??!! I know, I know, it was the seed of god. Bullshit. This is a book interpreted by a man. This world....well actually "Man" is possessed by a hunger for POWER. So this "Book" we'll call it the "Bible" is pretty much to me a book of brainwashing to make all people follow one way. It pretty much says if you follow any other god or religion your a sinner. Ummmm brainwashing technique 101 right there. Keep the herd together and dont let any stray. This is only one of my beefs with religion, I dont have all night to sit and write because I will be hear until tomorrow trying to explain it all. Im sure none of you want to read babble for 3 hrs. So I know my stuff will have rebuttal. So have at it. Im all ears.

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So I know my stuff will have rebutta. So have at it. Im all ears.

no, no i'm not going to rebute you God gave all of us free will to accept or not to accept and i for one am no one to rebute God's gift to you , although if wanted i would be glad to learn with you .

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The beauty of believing is that it prevents one from truly discovering himself. When you have a book that professes telling you a way of life that is the only way to live, it creates a fixated outlook on man and his purpose and meaning. "I cannot be responsible for my actions", is what becomes of man and it becomes one based on assumptions about life and who created it. Well I cannot be held responsible for your assumptions, bucky, only you can, and that is why I can only be held responsible for challenging your assumptions, and since your assumptions are B.S., then I have no fear in challenging them. You can only make U an ASS and I will not let U make an ASS out of ME. You think you're the only one with a monopoly on religion and religious indoctrination? We all went through it and had to wrestle with the ideas presented. We all grew up from these myths and fables that stretched incidents from the past into grandiose schemes bent on moral lessons and instructions on how to live.

I mean, if you believe the Noah story, and the earth was covered completely by water, then Noah would have had to house over 1,000,000 species in pairs on his boat, which the way it is described was too large to be built out of wood. This is a tale of a true event that was exaggerated and deified, about a cataclysmic incident that happened, perhaps 1000 years previous and was forgotten and applied to the known world of that time. Period. The Epic of Gilgamesh is literally so similar to the genesis story that it is undeniably based on the same event. The Ark, the rainbow, the dove- all the same. Why, the knowledge of the Greek and Roman empires was lost to western thought and it was only the people in the middle east who retained the knowledge of these great empires that existed, and were able to reawaken the truth of them. This is what history does, it creates its own story and where it fits is where it stays.

Fortunately for humans we have been able to rebuild the past through careful analysis and discovery, and so demystify the tales from such lying sources as the bible. It is nothing but a quaint history book that gets confusing because it tries to intersect fact with the supernatural as a reason for its purpose and meaning. This is what is wrong with your bible. It lies about reality and is supported by those who seek power and profit and are willing to oppress those that are too weak to see that it is a book of lies manufactured to make obedience the one goal in life. Your gOD had little to do with giving man free will, man already had that. It is because we were disobedient to our lord(read ELITE NOBILITY) and make decisions on our own that we are cast out of their version of paradise, NOT because we have free will. Give up your excuse making and get real.

I was brought up by my mother on the Bible, and she told me something that I've never forgotten. She said the stories in the Bible are stories about the conflict between the kings who have power and the prophets who preach righteousness, and she taught me to support the prophets and not the kings. It's gotten me into a lot of trouble in my life, but if I look at the great founders of religion -- Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha -- they were teachers. Nothing more.

They taught us how to live, and then people come along and try to use religion to get power. ‘If you don't do what I tell you, you'll rot in hell. If you don't do this, you're hostile to the Quran or the Bible,’ and I think the abuse of religion – because for most people, including myself now, my religion is part of my culture. I think Jesus was a prophet; I think what he taught was good, and I think that in my society, I'm used to Episcopalian churches and Catholic churches and the odd synagogue and now a few mosques. It's part of my culture, and to try and turn it into grounds for war – when Bush said it was a crusade, what a foolish thing to say.

Because maybe they didn’t teach you about the crusades in Texas, or wherever you're from, but by God, in the Middle East, everybody knows what the crusades were. We went there. There were seven crusades over 175 years. We sent armies into Palestine to recapture Jerusalem for the Christians, and the bitterness was enormous, and of course, we lost all the crusades, as well. So I see great dangers in the abuse of religious power, but I am myself, a follower of the teachings of religious leaders.

I mean, Moses said, “Don't worship the golden calf.” I always took that to be a direct criticism of the Dow Jones Industrial Average as the criteria by which you judge human happiness. You sort of know what's happened to the stock market. So they all have to say something, but the abuse of it is so dangerous, because this is not a war about religion. It's about oil and power, and if you understand that, then all the religious language disappears, and you can go back to following the culture of your faith. And I respect people of all faiths, and I would expect them to respect my faith, as well.

I have more spiritualty in my little pinky than you have in your whole body. All you have is some phony transparent fear filled belief system to base your existence on. You preach your little speech of love and compassion but you have none of this in your head or heart. This is because you have no conscience. You speak of the greatness in your jesus but you don't see the danger in this- the anger and hatred for others that you carry like your cross. It is the weight of oppression that your religion puts on you that keeps you from seeing what you really are and what you really preach. It is your burden and is the one you need to maintain your false beliefs, so you can go on doing the only thing you are capable of doing to maintain its weight. Believe the lies and convince others they must also carry this burden or obligation, to justify the very reason why you have to carry this load. So you can maintain your advantage over the less fortunate, because you have not swayed from obedience to your lord(read ELITE NOBILITY). This is your easy way out, you're escape from responsibility and the reason why you subject us to your fixated ignorance. You have chosen the simplest way out, Pascals wager.

Sorry, this is not the thinking mans way and only creates anger, oppression, hatred, death and injustice- all the components that make up a person lacking in courage, wisdom, love, compassion and most of all, a conscience. This is how I see you and your beliefs bucky, and for that you should be condemned to the lowest form of existence possible- which is where I see you existing now. Fear filled and obedient to your phony lying masters, who use you to transmit their message of love and compassion while lying, cheating and stealing from others, even from someone as blind as you. As long as you're the three monkeys for them, and continue to hear no, see no and speak no evil about them- YOU are condemned to exist in ignorance and fear. For such are those who do not understand the true meaning of the trees of good and evil, and won't bite into the tree of knowledge.

Finally , to quote someone whom we all owe our existence here, on TVNL completely, I will quote something that came on the web today. One of the real prophets I will follow and believe.

You want to issue a fatwa against someone or kill someone who “insults” your religion, no problem. You want to murder a doctor who performs procedures that are not in line with your religion; go right ahead. You want to conduct acts of terror or start a war using the most advanced military power in history; please…proceed. You are uncomfortable with other people who are sexually attracted to members of the same sex and you want to harm them in the cruelest possible way, just go ahead and do it! Whenever you feel like committing abhorrent immoral acts don’t worry about anything; just commit those acts; but make sure you have a holy book of some sort as justification.

You see, these holy books, be they bibles, torahs, or qurans, can act as your little personal security blanket so that you do not have to face up to the loathsome, horrendous or heinous acts that you commit. Yes, if you really look hard enough in your little holy books I am sure you will be able to find some sentence that you can pervert by way of personal “interpretation”, into some kind of justification for your vile behavior.

Using justification that carries the same weight as David Berkowitz’s (“Son of Sam” murderer) excuse (some dog named Sam was sending messages to him), for his murder spree, people who commit such acts claim that they are justified because of messages that they see, hear or interpret from their god or holy book. People who follow these little religious messages have managed to create a planet of hatred and violence.

Nothing in history has ever been more perverted by the human beings than organized religion. It has become the excuse for injustice and inhumane behavior. Yes, I know what you are saying; religion has had a positive impact on many people. So has electricity; but that too is dangerous and can take a life as easily as it can power an air conditioner on a hot summer day.

Religious justification has now reached the point where it poses a very real threat to life on Earth. The people in charge of the greatest means of killing on the planet have little books that they feel contain certain messages that are in fact permission to act on their insane impulses. If we permit this to continue it we will all pay the price with our lives.

It is high time that people had enough confidence in their own common sense to practice the religion of “do the right thing!” You don’t need a book to tell you how to be a good person and none of us need a book that “permits” us to be bad people! Think about it! – Jesse, Editor,

I'll put my faith in humans and their knowledge any time without fear of reprisals, over your phony B.S. gOD's anytime.

Completely sane world
madness the only freedom

An ability to see both sides of a question
one of the marks of a mature mind

People don't choose to be dishonest
the choice chooses them

Now I know how Kusinich feels.

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Cruelty and Violence in the Bible

The sections on "injustice," "family values," "cruelty and violence," and "women" fail to account for an important concept - the Bible was written to reform our souls, not our societies. While the teachings of the Bible were revolutionary in the protection they gave to slaves, women, etc. - some of the commands and statements seem brutal and unjust to our modern minds. God "breathed out" the Bible in an ancient culture. God approached the sins of man from the "inside out." If a man comes into a relationship with God, God will reform his heart, teach him to love, to respect, to forgive. Yes, some of the laws in the Bible are brutal and primitive, but if a person had a genuine relationship with God, the laws would not even be necessary. The laws were intended to minimize sin...not express God's true standards of justice, mercy, and love.

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one of my biggest problem is that you cannot get a woman pregnant without fertilization. It is impossible to get pregnant yourself. So mother mary was a virgin and got pregnant by herself??!!

nothing is impossible with God , that brings us back to the old argument "Could God create a rock so heavy He could not lift it?"

This question is frequently asked by skeptics of God, the Bible, Christianity, etc. If God can create a rock that He cannot lift, then God is not omnipotent. If God cannot create a rock so heavy that He cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent. According to this argument, omnipotence is self-contradictory. Therefore, God cannot be omnipotent. So, the question, could God create a rock so heavy He could not lift it? The quick answer is "No." But the explanation is far more important to understand than the answer...

This question is based on a popular misunderstanding about the definitions of words like "almighty" or "omnipotent." These terms do not mean that God can do anything. Rather, they describe the amount of God's power. Power is the ability to effect change - to make something happen. God (being unlimited) has unlimited power, and the Bible affirms this (Job 11:7-11, 37:23; 2 Corinthians 6:18; Revelation 4:8; etc.). Therefore, God can do whatever is possible to be done. God cannot, however, do that which is actually impossible. This is because true impossibility is not based on the amount of power one has, it is based on what is really possible. The truly impossible is not made possible by adding more power. Therefore, unless context indicates otherwise (e.g. Matthew 19:26 where man's ability is being shown in contrast to God's), impossibility means the same thing whether or not God is involved.

So, the first part of the question is based on a false idea - that God being almighty means that He can do anything. In fact, the Bible itself lists things God cannot do - like lie or deny Himself (Hebrews 6:18; 2 Timothy 2:13; Titus 1:2). The reason He cannot do these things is because of His nature and the nature of reality itself. God cannot do what is not actually possible to be done, like creating a two-sided triangle, or a married bachelor. Just because words can be strung together this way does not make the impossible possible - these things are contradictions, they are truly impossible in reality. Now, what about this rock? A rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an infinite amount of lifting power. But an infinite rock is a contradiction since material objects cannot be infinite. Only God is infinite. There cannot be two infinites. So the question is actually asking if God can make a contradiction - which He cannot.

I believe that God has planted in every heart the desire to live in freedom.
George W. Bush

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