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 Post subject: What is PNAC ?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:26 pm 
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"The Project for a New American Century" (PNAC) is the elusive "cabal" that is hardly mentioned in the news, and never called by name. PNAC was co-founded by William Kristol and Dick Cheney & other familiar people. This cabal is the group that is presently in power. Needless to say, our American press has not been reporting all the facts regarding the current Bush Administration , so PNAC is rarely mentioned by them, if ever. If you google PNAC you will find it all over the internet , and many websites attempt to expose and "out" the PNAC. The UK press reports on PNAC all the time now, starting with an article by Neil Mackay on September 15, 2002 in the Scottish Sunday Herald:
http://www.rense.com/general29/plns.htm

PNAC is a small group who claim to act on behalf of you and not the elites. They hold many of the key positions of power in the federal government. But really, these are the people who brought us:

* the war in Iraq
* plans for simultaneous, multiple wars
* legal 'justification' for torture
* the 'Patriot' Act, expanded presidential powers and reduced citizens' rights
* warmongering and war profiteering and on and on

In the past 5 years , only two well-known Americans have been videotaped publicly exposing the PNAC just this year: Helen Thomas "the first lady of the press" , & Stephen Colbert, the comedic anchor of the "Colbert Report" on Comedy Central ! :
http://tinyurl.com/loxz3

Here is PNAC's actual website , founding members & Statement of Principles:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/state ... ciples.htm

They wrote a letter trying to urge Clinton in 1998 to attack Iraq:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Practically everyone in this organization is also in the Bush Administration, however W himself is not a member of the PNAC. Many bloggers surmise this is because he is the cabal's puppet to be kept "untouchable" in case of a need for pardons for the rest of the group. Even Jeb Bush is a member , but not W !

The Iraq and potential Iran wars were already planned on their PNAC website in this document "Rebuilding America Defenses: Strategy, Forces, & Resources for a New Century" (remember , this is a non-profit organization , NOT a government entity, yet they came into power two months after this was written in September 2000):
http://tinyurl.com/7onk

There are hundreds of websites and blogs about the PNAC. Here are a few well-known favorites:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

http://www.pnac.info/

http://tinyurl.com/mzrcv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le3544.htm

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/pnac.html

This information is enough to not overwhelm you, but will bring you up to snuff for now. Here is a good & quick video that exposes the PNAC:

PNAC exposed.

"What Barry Says"
This is the Hi-Fi version.
http://www.knife-party.net/What-Barry-Says

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Isn't it amazing that the press is able to sidestep all this information about what is REALLY wrong in America?


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Dori, so true! I have often said that historians are going to be scratching their heads in disbelief for decades about this period of history... how can the press simply ignore everything on the 'net :?: What a paradox :!:

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There has been a little progress. Until a couple of years ago no one in the mainstream news media ever used the term neocon. And if you ever mentioned the term to a right-winger, they would always claim ignorance of the existance of such an animal. Neocons themselves would always deny that neocons existed.

I think the Iraq war changed that situation. The invasion of Iraq made the existance of the neocon movement impossible to ignore. However, the right-wing owned MSM still turns a blind eye to PNAC.

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 Post subject: This is their goal?
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• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.


What did I miss here? Just what do the PNAC people consider "America" to be? Certainly not people like you and me.

And shoeless, it says "Kristol had shifted from left to right on the political spectrum, due partly to what he considered excesses and anti-Americanism among liberals."

Wanting America to live up to the Constitutiion is anti-American?

I never will figure out rightwinger thinking.


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• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.


What did I miss here? Just what do the PNAC people consider "America" to be? Certainly not people like you and me.

And shoeless, it says "Kristol had shifted from left to right on the political spectrum, due partly to what he considered excesses and anti-Americanism among liberals."

Wanting America to live up to the Constitutiion is anti-American?

I never will figure out rightwinger thinking.


In his book Blinded by the Right, David Brock gives an insightful dissertation of the neocon movement. It turns out that most of the founders were liberals who turned right-wing extremists. People like Steven Hadly, David Horowitz, Paul Wolfowitz, etc. were basically the nerdy kids who didn't fit in socially with the hippys (or the beatnicks in the case of Irving Kristol) in the peace movement. They couldn't get a date with any of the cute liberal chicks, so they decided to take over the world.

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For some time I have been trying to figure out why someone would change from liberal to neocon. Do they come into money like Rosanne Barr? Are they tempted with power like Ronald Reagan?

Or is there just some little seed of evil that sprouts one day and they are changed forever?

I have a paper written out that if I ever start sounding like a Republican, please put me out of my misery. Obviously, brain damage has taken place.

Why do these fantastic Christians never remember the teachings of Jesus? I am not religious, but I remember them. What is it about being one of the chosen people that allows them to forget the teachings of their supposed leader?


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My understanding of the roots of neoconism is that they were liberal warmongers, like Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Irving Kristol , etc. and they got fedup with the liberal movement in America not going their way, or perhaps just the PEACE movement? Not really sure, please historically correct me if I'm wrong. But I do know one thing :

"Power corrupts , but absolute power corrupts absolutely".
Historian Lord Acton (1834-1902) issued epic warnings that political power is the most serious threat to liberty.
http://www.libertystory.net/LSTHINKACTON.html

In other words, do not fear the liberal or the conservative, but beware of the ones that want total control no matter what their 'label'. I think we should be wary of the elite....that is the message.

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"I agree with what you say, yankhadenuf.

Unfortunately, we keep getting called the 'elite'! Sure isn't anything 'elite' about me, but still that is what we are all called if we care about other people more than money, power and recognition--the triad of the right."

I think we are accused of being pointy-headed (lol), and for whatever reason people confuse that with "the elite". Nothing "elite" about me neither, just a nerdy girl . :lol:


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dori wrote:
I agree with what you say, yankhadenuf.

Unfortunately, we keep getting called the 'elite'! Sure isn't anything 'elite' about me, but still that is what we are all called if we care about other people more than money, power and recognition--the triad of the right.


Yeah, I love how they call us the "liberal, intellectual, elite", as if that is some sort of insult. One of these regressives should look up the antonyms to those three words and realize they are distinguishing themselves from progressives by implying that they themselves are the "conservative, stupid, prolitariat". :lol:

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Shoeless, I love that! Have to remember those words to give back to people who think they are insulting me when they are actually giving me a compliment!


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 Post subject: What is PNAC? > PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
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The two people who have mentioned PNAC are Helen Thomas and Stephen Colbert? I knew I loved these people!

Have bookmarked the page.


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dori wrote:
The two people who have mentioned PNAC are Helen Thomas and Stephen Colbert? I knew I loved these people!

Have bookmarked the page.


Colbert's video link is not in PNAC "educational email/letter" , but here it is for your pleasure :


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ap ... olbert.htm

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Thank you, yes I do appreciate it.

At least we can count on having two honest people, eh?

Colbert does more to out rightwingers by pretending to be one than all the investigative reporters around. But then, there are investigative reporters I enjoy and trust too.

So many great books out now--oh for the ability to read them. The library has talking books, but never anything liberal. I was told by a person working there that there is no room for liberal works there, and no one wants anything to do with them anyway.

How is that for progressive?


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