This article is from May 2005 and you may have already seen it. Who is telling the truth? Was this refuted?
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/52345
U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000.
U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000.
Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources. In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers , rapes, courts martial and so on – Brian Harring
How do they hide the dead soldiers that they claim are dead? Don't parents and loved ones have to be notified when a soldier is killed? Do these people just accept the death and hide or don't report it? Are they being paid to keep quiet? Isn't there a list with the dead soldiers names and so can be cross referenced by grieving parents and loved ones? If there is a list, can it be made public?
This article is from 2003 and states that there are more deaths in Iraq than the early stages of the Vietnam war.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/US_War_Dead_111403.htm
By comparison, a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where U.S. forces number about 130,000 troops -- the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965. Larger still is the number of American casualties from the broader U.S. war on terrorism, which has produced 488 military deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Southwest Asia and other locations.
Statistics from battle zones outside Iraq show that 91 soldiers have died since Oct. 7, 2001, as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, which President Bush launched against Afghanistan's former Taliban regime after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington killed 3,000 people.
The Bush administration has rejected comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam, which traumatized Americans a generation ago with a sad procession of military body bags and television footage of grim wartime cruelty.
Maybe someone should include all the deaths that are happening to US soldiers in this war, not just the ones in Iraq.
Because U.S. involvement in Vietnam increased gradually after the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, there is little consensus on when the war in Southeast Asia began.
Some date the war to the late 1950s. Others say it began on Aug. 5, 1964, when Lyndon Johnson announced air strikes against North Vietnam in retaliation for a reported torpedo attack on a U.S. destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin.
However, the Army's start date for the Vietnam War has been set by its Center of Military History as Dec. 11, 1961, when two helicopter companies consisting of 32 aircraft and 400 soldiers arrived in the country, an Army public affairs specialist said.
"It was the first major assemblage of U.S. combat power in Vietnam," explained Army historian Joe Webb.
Vietnam casualties, which amounted to 25 deaths from 1956 through 1961, climbed to 53 in 1962, 123 in 1963 and 216 in 1964, Pentagon statistics show.
At the time, the U.S. presence in Vietnam consisted mainly of military advisers. President John F. Kennedy increased their number from about 960 in 1961 to show Washington's commitment to containing communism.
But not until 1965, after Congress had approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, did Washington begin its massive escalation of the war effort. With a huge influx of soldiers, casualties in Vietnam soared to 1,926 in 1965 and peaked at 16,869 in 1968, the year of the Tet Offensive, data show.
In a major revision of U.S. military history in 1995, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara said he believed
the Gulf of Tonkin torpedo attack never occurred. (
Like 9-11 was allowed and used?)
More than 58,000 U.S. military personnel died in Vietnam before the war ended in the mid-1970s.
In another comparison, British forces that created Iraq in the aftermath of World War One suffered 2,000 casualties from tribal reprisals, guerrilla attacks and a jihad proclaimed from the Shi'ite holy city of Kerbala, before conditions stabilized in 1921, according to U.S. military scholars.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/ ... 1815.shtml
This is from Nov. 25 2005 on the Constant Bull Shit news service.
Meanwhile, some insurgent groups in Iraq are reportedly considering reaching out to Iraqi leaders.
Residents of Anbar province say four insurgent groups are considering naming a representative to spell out their conditions to Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.
The residents, who have contacts with the insurgents, spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.
Secretary of State Condo
(s)leezza Rice
(the lying bitch)said the United States will
probably not need to maintain its current troop levels in Iraq "very much longer," though she declined to provide a precise timetable for reduction in U.S. forces. "I do not think that American forces need to be there in the numbers that they are now because — for very much longer — because Iraqis are stepping up," she told Fox News in an interview.
This is the Antiwar site.
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
Other Coalition Troops 199
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan 246
Iraqi Body Count IBC See Iraq Body Count for "Official" military count.
British Medical Journal Lancet estimates
at least 100,000 civilians killed.
American Civilian Casualties '0' - Here and abroad since war in Afghanistan started.
There is a listing of links on Anti war.com that lead to dead ends mostly or don't give all the names of the dead. Is this a red herring or is there lists with the names of the dead made public? Who runs this website? It is a libertarian site perhaps, and it speaks of Randolph Bourne, who opposed the first world war. "The Randolph Bourne Institute (RBI) seeks to honor his memory by promoting a non-interventionist foreign policy for the United States as the best way of fostering a peaceful, more prosperous world." Fine sentiments indeed.
Sources and Links
Web page listing names of those killed since 5/1/03
Central Command Department of Defense Profiles of Americans Who Have Died
BBC News Coalition Casualty Count The Washington Post
Iraq Body Count Fox News Listing by month
Search Casualties by Name Cost of War
These links are at the bottom of the Antiwar page, but most lead to nowhere.
American Wounded Official ____ Estimated
Total Wounded: __ 15704_____ 15000 - 48100
As of Nov. 24/05
