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 Post subject: Magginkat
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:37 pm 
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Does this say that men are more threatened by homosexual issues than females? Or are they just afraid of anything that might change their status in society? Or is it possible that a great majority of men feel an attraction to other men and are frightened to death of admitting it? Would it be true to ask these questions more so about "the insecure white male"?

I ask these questions as a part white, part native American female who grew up in the racist south.

I truly believe that the white men feel threatened by any and every little thing that threatens what the presume to be their "God given right" to control everything. Whether they admit it or not most white men seem to think they are smarter & "better" than other races and they want to keep it that way.

As a 'straight' female, I find the thought of having sex with another woman absolutely disgusting but I also find the thought of having sex with a lot of men that I know to be disgusting..... think george bu$h, Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, Dennis Hastert , Tom DeLay..... LOL

What those same people do with their private life is not the business of government or any other person as long as they do no harm to anyone else.

The fact that college freshmen are this naive is not really surprising in this day and age. They have been raised as the "me, me, me" generation(s) and self pleasure has been the main goal all of their life. I think we can directly credit that to people like george bu$h.

What are these kids supposed to think when everything they see in public life is the opposite of what their parents think they are teaching them.

As for total ignorance (and proud of it), we are still hearing the screams of righteous indignation when anyone criticizes their hero and god, george bu$h who they believe to be the epitome of their mantra, "you can be as dumb as schitt and still become rich and famous"!

One thing we know for sure........ they are in for the "shock and awe" of their lives in a few years.

My daughter is a college freshman and a few days ago I was looking at a paper that she brought home to critique for another student in an English composition class. She had marked what she thought needed changing or correcting and asked me what I thought.

What I thought was, "what the hell is this kid doing in college instead of the fifth grade?" ! !

No, their attitudes are not surprising. What is surprising to me is that most of these parents are still working their buns off and doing without to send these kids to school and in the process have taught these kids everything that they have to know from personal experience is a crock.

Have you taken a look at textbooks for History, Social Studies, etc lately? They are junk and we are paying outrageous prices for these sorry books. It almost makes me wish that I had saved my textbooks from the 50's & 60's and home schooled them!!

Pardon my rant..... I need to quit here before I get really angry. Something is really screwed up when sticking our noses in the business of other people is more important than a good basic education.


Magginkat...

You have asked some good questions. Wouldn't it be fun and interesting if your questions and others of that type were also included on a survey of this nature? Then we'd get some real soul-searching going on, or some outright lies...more of the latter, most likely.

It is my belief, based on having lived in the American South all my life, (and I'm older than dirt, seems like sometimes), that the prevalence for a male control-dominance syndrome seems to be firmly entrenched. And I don't think it's uniquely the white male...although they do seem to have the edge. The homes and the churches are the culprits, I think.

One of the reasons I believe this is because I am married to a man who was raised in southern Georgia. He has 3 siblings..two brothers and one sister. While he was a big part of the typical southern society of the 50s, 60s, and 70s...he's not a man who wants to control. Nor are his brothers. Their sister is married to a doctor who treats her with the utmost respect, because she has always expected it, as I do from men I associate with.

Their mother and father raised them in an atmosphere of total equality, teaching them respect, integrity, and fairness. He has never tried to control anything within our marriage, and neither have I. We treat each other with respect and we give each other freedom and space. We are completely faithful to each other and always have been in 15 years of marriage. We're a team. I wrote our marriage vows, and we both agreed the words "obey' and "death" would not be included. My husband cooks, cleans, washes, and otherwise helps around the house.

Equality and respect for the other person I think must be taught at home and the earlier it can begin the better. For example, on the first day of school, a kindergartner picks up a stick and pokes another child in the eye. Did that happen because he hadn't been taught at school? No, that happened because he'd been allowed to come to school with the belief that violence and dominance was the way to solve problems. A child is taught by parents, caregivers, and many others during the most formative years of his life before he ever darkens a classroom door.

My husband's parents did not adhere to any religion, so their children did not get the Bible teachings that are so prevalent in American society.

It's not the schools' fault for the American male dominance phenomenon to have come to the forefront...I think it comes from the home, from those formative years I mentioned above, and how that male child sees his role models relate to females within the home.

It also comes from their religious beliefs and teachings. In the Bible, so many women are either virgins or prostitutes, both usually dominated in some way by the males in their lives.

AND we women have to take a certain amount of responsibility for the dominance factor to have reached the point it has today. Women have allowed themselves to be dominated, especially in the south, due in part to their religious beliefs, which so often causes them to view themselves in roles that are subordinate to men.

As to your comments to the textbooks used in schools nowadays...I agree. I taught elementary school, and because I was the chairperson of the textbook selection committee, I was able to make sure we had excellent textbooks in all of the subjects for grades k-5. My committee and I would spend hours of after-school time perusing all of the samples sent to us from dozens of publishers. We invested time because we had to use these textbooks for at least 5 years. I don't know if middle schools and high schools have committees like this and, if they do, if they spend a lot of time making their selections.

But history isn't so much the textbook, MK...in my opinion...it's how the material is presented. A good, creative teacher can overcome a textbook. The creative teaching is what is lacking. To make history interesing enough for a high school student to want to learn it almost requires genius! But it can be done with a lot of imagination on the part of the teacher.

And the college paper you saw? I have no idea how some high school seniors ever got to the 12th grade. The scary part is that these young people are going to be voting and leading us in the future.

Nowadays, I'm glad I am almost older than dirt! The future of these young people won't be my future. I really feel sorry for them, in a way, and a certain amount of pity. They will never know what it was like to live in a more gentle and free America, as I have.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:02 pm 
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Found you Catherine!

I did sorta wander all over the place with that post didn't I? I have three web sites of my own and have been thinking of doing a poll for them. As a matter of fact several people have volunteered to conduct the poll in their own hometowns if I ever get it put together.


In this particular case, you & I are good examples both sides of the story, southern wise.

I was married for 7 yrs to a guy from Georgia who is the exact opposite of everything you describe in your husband's & your families.

His mother is a religious fanatic & one of the biggest hypocrites that I've ever met . The father "got saved" a few yrs. ago when he became ill. How many times have we seen that one?!

After marrying into this family I was appalled to learn that my then husband had grown up very proud of the fact that his maternal grandfather was a member of the KKK. I never met his grandfather as he had died before my marriage to this clown. They still had his robe and the pointy hat! I took great pride in telling them that I was not white! I am part Native American as mentioned earlier.

I guess I may be an oddity in the South. I have always, even as a kid, questioned the kind of religion we were being taught. I asked questions that no one wanted to answer and I grew up to be a Proud Liberal Bitch! LMAO! I actually have a web site by that name, designed mostly to irritate radical religious right bu$h butt kissers. I have to do some work on that soon too!

You are absolutely right when you say that equality and respect for the other person must be taught at home.... and I, once again am a living example of the results of what is taught at home. My first husband was a Northerner, Ohio to be exact, with a Hungarian background. His ancestors had been in this country for several generations but still they treated women like door mats, subservient to the men in every way.

I went over like a lead balloon trying to float in a tub of water at family gatherings. This marriage almost got me murdered by that husband because I did not toe the line according to him. He died during the Vietnam era and if he had not I'm sure that I would not be here today. To this day, as far as I know, I am blamed for the failure of the marriage because I did not roll over like a good Stepford wife.

I always felt sorry for my first mother in law because she had been trained like an obedient dog and honestly didn't seem to know any better. Every time I see Laura bu$h, I think of that poor woman. This may sound weird but when I heard that she died I felt relief for her. I cannot imagine living for 75 yrs like that! The only way she could escape was by dying.

Regarding text books, I'm sure that you are correct about good teachers. I'm also sure that you are aware that even the good teachers are being pressed to test the hell out of kids instead of teaching. I find those tests to be for the most part, the most idiotic things I've ever seen. I can't think of any polite way to say what I think george bu$h should do with his extended testing. However, I do think that ever politician who voted for this insanity should have to take the tests in their home district with the kids.... no exceptions. If he cannot pass the test, he must resign his office.

That would clean out Congress in a hurry not to mention the White House!!

Like you, I am glad I am old. I am thinking of writing a "history" book to leave for my kids and grandkids.

Should I do that soon and hide it away before bu$h & his religious fanatics start burning books?

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MagginKat...you are a survivor...and one touch cookie...like me.

You mentioned at the end of your post about writing a history book and leaving it to your grandkids.

I've always loved to write...stories, poetry, and for many years, I have kept journals. I don't write in them everyday, but I write often enough that I now have 10 volumes plus one little homemade journal I put together when I was 12...October, 1963, and in it I recorded my reactions to the assassination of President Kennedy. I've been keeping journals ever since. I've left nothing out of them, either. They are full of details about things happy, things sad, things angry, and things some women wouldn't reveal about themselves for anything!

But I want my legacy to be one of "Well, old Catherine sure didn't sit there in her rocking chair wishing she'd done this or that. She probably sat there remembering all the fun she had doing what she shouldn't have!"

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