You are right NYGG. My point though was that oxygen is invisible to the casual observer, not that it can't be proven. And long ago we could not see it because we didn't have the ability at that time.
The existance of oxygen cant be proven?
She said it can be proven that oxygen exists.
The difference is...
You can't see air, but we can prove it exists.
You can't see wind, but we can prove it exists.
We can't see "god," and can't prove he exists.
I spent the first 18 years of my life being forced into religion. I went to a private christian school, I was forced to read from the bible everyday, forced to go to church every wednesday and sunday, and even forced to go to a christian camp every summer.
It wasn't the forcing of these things that turned me away from religion. It was the fact that I had to believe in something that had no proof.
I can't do that. I can't blindly defend something without anything to back it up.
We have to extend to believers the same respect we want from them. Their faith centers them just as my skepticism centers me. I don't want my beliefs put down, and I can see that they do not want theirs belittled either.
DK posted a "A Thought," where he's attempted to tell people to respect each other's religious beliefs and not criticize or belittle them. Yet, in that same plea, he quoted somebody who was indeed doing that!
Likewise to Non-Atheists. Please refrain from attacking Atheism or Agnosticism. Some have not yet found God or may never. Some are staunch in their disbelief. It is not of a lack of will, rather, it is because their will is very strong.
How is that not being disrespectful?..saying that athiests have not yet found "god" or may never, as if they know there's a god to find.
When you use something like that to try to prove that all should be respectful of others, you're contradicting yourself.
I do believe that you can't help but partially be disrespectful when discussing religious differences with people, because you believe yourself to be right, and others to be wrong. You can't help it!..otherwise you wouldn't believe in what you believed in. Anyone who pretends that they don't believe that people who believe differently than them are not wrong is not only lying to us, but to themselves as well...or just trying to sound better than anyone else who truthfully claims their own beliefs to be right.