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 Post subject: New Records: FBI Helped Saudis Leave U.S. After 9/11
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:14 am 
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New records: FBI helped Saudis leave U.S. after 9/11
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By Eric Lichtblau, New York Times

WASHINGTON - The episode has been retold so many times in the last three and a half years that it has become the stuff of political legend: in the frenzied days after Sept. 11, 2001, when some flights were still grounded, dozens of well-connected Saudis, including relatives of Osama bin Laden, managed to leave the United States on specially chartered flights.

Now, newly released government records show previously undisclosed flights from Las Vegas and elsewhere and point to a more active role by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in aiding some of the Saudis in their departure.

The F.B.I. gave personal airport escorts to two prominent Saudi families who fled the United States, and several other Saudis were allowed to leave the country without first being interviewed, the documents show.

The Saudi families, in Los Angeles and Orlando, requested the F.B.I. escorts because they said they were concerned for their safety in the wake of the attacks, and the F.B.I. - which was then beginning the biggest criminal investigation in its history - arranged to have agents escort them to their local airports, the documents show.



But F.B.I. officials reacted angrily, both internally and publicly, to the suggestion that any Saudis had received preferential treatment in leaving the country.

"I say baloney to any inference we red-carpeted any of this entourage," an F.B.I. official said in a 2003 internal note. Another F.B.I. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said this week regarding the airport escorts that "we'd do that for anybody if they felt they were threatened - we wouldn't characterize that as special treatment."

The documents were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Justice Department by Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, which provided copies to The New York Times.

The material sheds new light on the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, and it provides details about the F.B.I.'s interaction with at least 160 Saudis who were living in or visiting the United States and were allowed to leave the country. Some of the departing Saudis were related to Osama bin Laden.

The Saudis' chartered flights, arranged in the days after the attacks when many flights in the United States were still grounded, have proved frequent fodder for critics of the Bush administration who accuse it of coddling the Saudis. The debate was heightened by the filmmaker Michael Moore, who scrutinized the issue in "Fahrenheit 9/11," but White House officials have adamantly denied any special treatment for the Saudis, calling such charges irresponsible and politically motivated.

The Sept. 11 commission examined the Saudi flights in its final report last year, and it found that no Saudis had been allowed to leave before national airspace was reopened on Sept. 13, 2001; that there was no evidence of "political intervention" by the White House; and that the F.B.I. had done a "satisfactory screening" of the departing Saudis to ensure they did not have information relevant to the attacks.

The documents obtained by Judicial Watch, with major passages heavily deleted, do not appear to contradict directly any of those central findings, but they raise some new questions about the episode.

The F.B.I. records show, for instance, that prominent Saudi citizens left the United States on several flights that had not been previously disclosed in public accounts, including a chartered flight from Providence, R.I., on Sept. 14, 2001, that included at least one member of the Saudi royal family, and three flights from Las Vegas between Sept. 19 and Sept. 24, also carrying members of the Saudi royal family. The government began reopening airspace on Sept. 13, but many flights remained grounded for days afterward.

The three Las Vegas flights, with a total of more than 100 passengers, ferried members of the Saudi royal family and staff members who had been staying at Caesar's Palace and the Four Seasons hotels. The group had tried unsuccessfully to charter flights back to Saudi Arabia between Sept. 13 and Sept. 17 because they said they feared for their safety as a result of the Sept. 11 attacks, the F.B.I. documents say.

Once the group managed to arrange chartered flights out of the country, an unidentified prince in the Las Vegas group "thanked the F.B.I. for their assistance," according to one internal report. The F.B.I. had interviewed many members of the group and searched their planes before allowing them to leave, but it nonetheless went back to the Las Vegas hotels with subpoenas five days after the initial flight had departed to collect further information on the Saudi royal guests, the documents show.

In several other cases, Saudi travelers were not interviewed before departing the country, and F.B.I. officials sought to determine how what seemed to be lapses had occurred, the documents show.

The F.B.I. documents left open the possibility that some departing Saudis had information relevant to the Sept. 11 investigation.

"Although the F.B.I. took all possible steps to prevent any individuals who were involved in or had knowledge of the 9/11/2001 attacks from leaving the U.S. before they could be interviewed," a 2003 memo said, "it is not possible to state conclusively that no such individuals left the U.S. without F.B.I. knowledge."

The documents also show that F.B.I. officials were clearly riled by public speculation stirred by news media accounts of the Saudi flights. They were particularly bothered by a lengthy article in the October 2003 issue of Vanity Fair, which included charges that the bureau considered unfair and led to an internal F.B.I. investigation that the agency named "Vanitybom." Internal F.B.I. correspondence during the review was addressed to "fellow Vanitybom victims."

Critics said the newly released documents left them with more questions than answers.

"From these documents, these look like they were courtesy chats, without the time that would have been needed for thorough debriefings," said Christopher J. Farrell, who is director of investigations for Judicial Watch and a former counterintelligence interrogator for the Army. "It seems as if the F.B.I. was more interested in achieving diplomatic success than investigative success."

Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, called for further investigation.

"This lends credence to the theory that the administration was not coming fully clean about their involvement with the Saudis," he said, "and we still haven't gotten to the bottom of this whole affair."


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The FBI played a part alright, but the blame it on Saudis' is a
misdirection game.

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 Post subject: So Michal Moore was right again!
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So Michal Moore was right again!
Where are the Moore critics now?

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Good question, Jesse.

But it's good to know that our belief in what Michael Moore had presented in Farenheit 9/11 was correct all along.



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I think Michal Moore had lots more info he could have used? Also, I think ppeople were upset because he didn't ask certain important questions. Perhaps someone showed him a line in the sand? Meaning he had better not cross it. Yes, he was right and I hope the media whores will keep the pressure on. Not only keep it on, but avoid misdirection. In other words, don't blame it on the Saudis'. They may have had some connection, but they didn't mastermind it and carry it out.

Alex Jones made a video that some claim it is far better then Moore's FH-911? --> 911: The Road to Tyranny.

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Jesse - Where are the Moore critics now?


Silent for now I guess, but lets wait and see if the big media runs with it. I doubt it, because they never do. Oh and I wonder why they have all of a sudden?

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DETECTIVE COLUMBO ASKS: WAS 911 AN INSIDE JOB?

By: Douglas Herman - http://etherzone.com/2004/herm030904.shtml

Heresies begin as unwelcome thoughts. Truths are seldom self-evident, especially in an environment of official lies and fabrications. What we now know of our past should make us especially wary of those who control our future, suspicious of whatever they declare to be truth. As the Gulf of Tonkin proved, when a government has conceived an agenda, lies become the official truth until disproved by history and the confessions of old men. By then it is too late.

What do we know about 911? A massacre, yes. A spectacular attack, undoubtedly. But are we somehow treasonous if we examine the evidence objectively, as detective Columbo would do? In Detective Columbo As Theologian, Robert Zerhusen says: "Columbo begins by making observations and asking questions. His questions are innocuous at first. The questions then become irritating as he brings out problems with the initial explanation. For the person who has committed the crime, Columbo becomes a nuisance."

Would Columbo accept the official 911 story that a strange, bearded man had perpetrated a terrible crime simply because a powerful organization had told him so? Wouldn’t we—along with every good detective--immediately assume someone in that organization had something to hide?

Crimes are committed for many reasons. Columbo always sought a motive, taking nothing for granted. Neither was anyone--no matter how powerful--exempt from suspicion in Columbo's mind. Although they would dismiss him as an "annoying little man," the chief mistake the rich and powerful perpetrator always seemed to make was to take detective Columbo too lightly. Just as Four 9/11 Moms Battle Bush—another group of citizens also taken lightly, if at all--we can almost picture the dogged determination of these four average women, trying to discover just what happened on 911, exactly as that truthseeker, Columbo would have done. You see, governments would prefer we all just go away and not ask any questions. Ever.

But before we examine motives, let us summarize the official story, as reported by our national news organs with information helpfully provided to them by the government. Early on the morning of September 11, 2001, four passenger jets are hijacked and their courses altered. Immediately the Federal Aviation Association (FAA) is required to notify NORAD of any unusual events, of which there were now four. NORAD must scramble jets, as they’ve practiced repeatedly, for just such an emergency. But, strangely, NORAD does not respond, except belatedly if at all. Maybe NORAD generals didn’t want to personally order any planes carrying innocent passengers shot down. Would you give that order? Maybe our fighter planes were all called back, as they were in the attack on the USS LIBERTY ,a scenario I prefer to believe. Like the USS Liberty and the Tonkin Gulf incident, the truth might be part conspiracy, part negligence and a subsequent cover up.

At the the World Trade Center--the fabled "Twin Towers"--leased only a few months earlier by a wealthy developer, first one jet and then another slams into the upper floors. An inferno, fueled by thousands of gallons of fuel, rages for minutes but then the fire begins to smolder. 350 firefighters fight their way up the steps. Radio contact from these professionals report confident dialogue they can extinguish the fire. Suddenly, first one and then the other of the towers pancakes downwards, killing everyone still in them, including the 350 firefighters. Meanwhile Flight 93 in Pennsylvania wanders aimlessly before heading south. Witnesses in the vicinity report a military jet tailing the plane. Wreckage from flight 93, scattered over eight miles from the crash site, seems to indicate the plane has been shot from the skies. NORAD denies this.

The third hijacked plane reportedly slams into the Pentagon. However, no wreckage of a passenger jet--no wings, wheels, tail fin, luggage, seats, bodies—were ever found at the Pentagon. Can you imagine Columbo scratching his head at this development? One French critic who used official photos and satellite images taken minutes after the impact—some reportedly by the US military—to question the official version was labeled a "Crackpot" and his claims dismissed as an "urban legend." The only problem with such urban legends is they flourish in the dark, a quality the state loves like a fetish.

Meanwhile, the curious collapse of the two enormous WTC skyscrapers left everyone shocked, stunned—and angry. Most Americans have watching the massacre on television for hours. When another building falls they are told everyone escaped safely. Although, by appearances, superficially damaged and burning in only two small places, WTC7.pancakes in exactly the same manner as the two towering buildings before it. Moments after this horrific attack, a Passport is Found On Street Below WTC! The identification is still readable although it survived a fiery impact that vaporized all else. Evidently a Muslim man committed this horrific crime.

What would Colombo do with such evidence? Wouldn’t he at least look at WTC: films? Talking to firemen would also seem like a good first step, since 350 of them died tragically. But how exactly would a good detective like Columbo begin to approach this most sinister of crimes and the perplexing contradiction of available evidence? First the motives. Who profits? Who Made The AA 'Put' Options and was it true that enormous fortunes were made by insider trading on Wall Street? Yes. Did The CIA, have any connection to the attack? Yes, obliquely, or perhaps even directly by a few individuals. Is it true an enormous WTC Insurance payout is being contested. Yes A $7 billion prize that not even King Croesus of Lydia could have imagined.

Was it true that hundreds of tons of paper debris blanketed the streets of lower Manhattan simultaneous to the discovery of that incriminating passport? Yes. Besides cinders and bones and bodies from Twin Towers Jumpers, that amazing document emerged like Oswald’s rifle. If Las Vegas were to calculate the odds of finding such a charred passport, that originated in a fiery crash and was buried in an avalanched of debris from seventy stories up, what would be the odds? Miraculous indeed how a paper passport could survive a fiery explosion but an ENTIRE airliner vaporized on impact at the Pentagon. Would Colombo--or a court of law--accept this passport as admissible evidence in a criminal case if someone from the prosecution handed it to him, or would the passport be dismissed as highly circumstantial—and rightly so—suspected of having been planted?

Why were certain US military men neither reprimanded nor demoted for failure to perform their duty? Some even failed to remember simple details! Myers Senate Confirmation Hearing, 9/13/01] Remember, the admirals in command at Pearl Harbor were court-martialed, not treated with kid gloves as if they were fellow victims--as were NORAD officials after 911. Columbo might start by shining the harsh light on key players. During General Richard Myers’ tenure at NORAD—more than one year before the attack --the Pentagon brass practiced attack scenarios, even featuring Bin Laden’s picture on the cover of one manual. In October of 2000, a detailed "emergency" drill was practiced, simulating a Pentagon attack. So why wasn’t anyone prepared at the Pentagon even ONE HOUR after jets struck the WTC? In one of the best articles ever written about attack—The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11 and the basis for hundreds of conspiracy claims that "Insiders" were somehow involved—Paul Thompson uncovered a pattern of criminal negligence. Describing such discrepancies, a lawyer once said to me: "One mishap is chance; two is a pattern; three are a conspiracy" If your child drowns because you left the pool gate ajar even once, you can go to jail for involuntary manslaughter. If NORAD isn’t guilty of criminal complicity, no one is.

Columbo might also corner the leaseholder Larry Silverstein. If the US government won't investigate, won't ask the tough questions, perhaps outraged New Yorkers will. Did Silverstein order the destruction of WTC-7? Detective Columbo might investigate the startling collapse of a structurally sound building and talk to architects and engineers and especially corporate lawyers. Their words might give him some important clues as to who profited. If building 7, World Trade Center was indeed an official government building--the SEC leased 100,000 suare feet--can a "landlord" order its destruction and, if so, why

As I said, Colombo always began his investigation by seeking a motive. One group of suspects not yet mentioned had the most to gain. Presently they all hold high office. The signers of the PNAC, who clearly spoke of the impetus for another "Pearl Harbor" style attack on America--which all the national news organizations said this was--to provide impetus for an aggressive agenda, an excuse for a series of military incursions into the oil-rich Middle East. How much more than a terrorist attack, does 911 appear to be that signature event? Columbo certainly wouldn't shirk that question. Lastly, If certain wealthy investors had profited immediately by foreknowledge of the sinking of the battleship USS Arizona in 1941, Americans would have been outraged. Obviously no one is outraged today. Likewise, there were eight official inquiries into the attack on Hawaii. There is scarcely one inquiry today on 911.


"Published originally at EtherZone.com : republication allowed with this notice and hyperlink intact."

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Douglas Herman, internet essayist, is a USAF veteran who believes patriotism begins at home. He is a new columnist for Ether Zone.

He can be reached at: douglasherman7@yahoo.com

Published in the March 9, 2004 issue of Ether Zone.

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