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Scott Ritter: Neocons as Parasites
By Larisa Alexandrovna, Raw Story. Posted March 30, 2005.

Former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter says neocons are parasites "that latch onto democracy until it is no longer convenient."


Larisa Alexandrovna: Paul Wolfowitz stated prior to the Iraq invasion that Iraqi reconstruction would pay for itself. It seems that Mr. Wolfowitz, now charged with handling the World Bank, miscalculated. What is going on with the oil in Iraq?

Scott Ritter: Paul Wolfowitz was a salesman; his job was to sell a war. He acknowledged this in an interview with Vanity Fair magazine, in which he acknowledged that WMDs and the threat they posed, was nothing more than a vehicle to sell this war to America. Now you [get] to the war itself and selling it to Congress and [the] questions: How long will this take? Or how much will this cost?

Paul Wolfowitz lied to Congress about the costs of war. There is not a responsible member of government who thought this would be quick and cheap. There was nobody who believed that Iraq oil would pay for itself, no one in the oil business thought so.

What about oil companies, were they for the war or against it?

No oil professional in their right mind would support what is happening in Iraq. This isn't part of a grand 'oil' strategy; it is simply pure unadulterated incompetence.

So they are concerned about their bottom lines, and chaos doesn't forward that goal.

Right. Oil company executives are businessmen and they are in a business that requires long-term stability. They love dictators because they bring with them long-term stability. They don't like new democracies because they are messy and unstable. I have not run into a major oil company that is willing to refurbish the Iraq oil fields and invest in oil field exploration and development. These are multi-billion dollar investments that, in order to be profitable, must be played out over decades. And in Iraq today you cannot speak out to projecting any stability in the near to mid-future.

OK, so now to Congress. They approved the war. I know we have discussed the post-9/11 reality and the pressure of not seeming unpatriotic.

Yes, but they also approved the war because Congress had been locked into a corner by the neocons in 1998. Our policy in Iraq since 1991 has been regime change.

How many times did G. H. W. Bush have to say 'we will not remove sanctions until Saddam is removed from power?' Bill Clinton inherited this policy of regime change, but the Bush policy was not an active policy, it was a passive policy to strangle, as it were, Saddam. It was not our policy to take him out through military strength. Saddam, however, was able to out-maneuver this policy, he did not get weaker he got stronger. The neocons played on the political implications of this, to box the Clinton administration and Congress into a corner.

When you declare Saddam to be a threat with WMDs and then do nothing, you have a political problem. The neocons played on this. In 1998, the Heritage Foundation, Paul Wolfowitz and the American Enterprise Institute basically drafted legislation [that] became the Iraq Liberation Act. This is public law. So when people ask why did Congress vote for the current war in Iraq, it is simply that they had already voted for it in 1998, they were trapped by their own vote.

So your implication is that in our current foreign policy the neocons have set the tone via thinktanks or supposed thinktanks?

Yes. Look at who funds the American Enterprise Institute, and the Heritage Foundation, and I think you'll have your answer.

The American Heritage Leninist

What do you think these institutions are trying to achieve? I know the public claim is conservative values, but there is a some speculation regarding what appears more like Leninist, even Trotskyite values, especially given the current domestic government involvement and control or attempt at control of almost every facet of society, economy, family, etc. Even the term 'Leninist' was used by the Heritage Foundation to describe their approach to Social Security during the 1980s (read it here – PDF).

A high-level source, a neocon at that, within the system has said to me directly that 'John Bolton's job is to destroy the U.N., Rice's job is to destroy the State Department and replace it with a vehicle of facilitation for making the Pentagon's national security policy.'

And what of Karen Hughes' appointment?

Hughes – she is a salesperson; she will sell the policy. She is irrelevant. She is nothing. Her appointment means nothing. Rice has already capitulated to the Pentagon and the White House, and Hughes' appointment is but a manifestation of that larger reality.

The neocons are parasites. They build nothing. They bring nothing. They don't have a foundation. They don't stand for business. They don't stand for ideology. They use a host to facilitate and grow their own power. They are parasites that latch onto oil until it is no longer convenient. They latch on to democracy until it is no longer convenient.

Rice's appointment to the State Department is simply to reshape it into a neocon vehicle.

Why the State Department? Why Rice?

The State Department still has free thinkers in it. Rice is a dilettante. Anyone who was there during the Reagan era and her advising on Soviet policy knows how inept she is. She is not there because she is a brilliant secretary of state.

The media has bought into this, because the neocons cleverly put a woman, an African-American woman at that, into this position. So when Rice goes abroad, people do not look at the stupid things she says, they look at what she was wearing and such.

'Godless people who want power, nothing more'

So you believe the neocons are elitist parasites?

Yes, elitism is the perfect term.

Do you consider it localized or global elitism?

The neocons believe in what they think is a noble truth, power of the few, the select few. These are godless people who want power, nothing more. They do not have a country or an allegiance, they have an agenda. These people might hold American passports, but they are not Americans because they do not believe in the Constitution. They believe in the power of the few, not a government for or by the people. They are a few and their agenda is global.

You suggest the Republican Party is simply an organizational host. Is there any vestige left of the host or has the entire party been devoured?

The Republicans have been neutered by the neocons.

Your concept of neocons seems confusing because, using your host/parasite paradigm, they cannot tell between the host and the parasite which invades it.

I know people who have worked for George H. W. Bush, both when he was vice president and president. Bush Sr. called the neocons the 'crazies in the basement.' I think it is dangerous to confuse the two, because there are Americans who love their country and are conservatives who do not support what is going on. Until the host rejects the parasite, it is difficult to separate the two. Brent Scowcroft for example is not a neocon, yet people call him one. Scowcroft worked hard to reign in the 'crazies in the basement,' as did Reagan.

Many have defined the neocon movement based on the highly intellectual, albeit warped, musings of Strauss and Bloom. Yet one could hardly call the current leadership intellectual or even capable of digesting this philosophy. Even neocon thinkers are jumping off the ship. Do you believe this is simply trickle-down Machiavellianism in much the same way that Communism trickled down as an aberration of its original intent?

No plan survives initial contact with the enemy. The neocon ideology was always hypothetical in its pure application until now. What we are seeing today is what happens when theory (bad theory at that) makes contact with reality. You get chaos, through which the neocons are now trying to navigate.

Is Karl Rove a neocon?

Karl Rove is not part of the neo-conservative master group; he is a host.

Then who is steering the ship?

An oligarchy of 'public servant' classes who are drawn from business, and serve naked economic interests. This is true whether you are Democrat or Republican.

Patriot Enactment

Several insiders have expressed concern over possible oil shortage riots. Would the Patriot Act be put to use, in your opinion, to address such riots?

[The Patriot Act] is simply the neocons putting their judicial agenda in place by other means. It was a compilation of all of the conservative initiatives, not neocon initiatives, which the conservative Republicans have been pushing for, including a more conservative law enforcement element.

This is not unhealthy as long is it is done properly, through legislation, proper channels of debate and discourse. A lot of this had been submitted in the past, but was rejected. After 9/11 all of these initiatives were lumped together.

There are some things in the Patriot Act I agree with, but the Patriot Act requires a responsible society. The neocons have no interest in a responsible society; they simply used the conservatives as a vehicle to push an agenda to assault individual civil liberties.

As the Patriot Act is now, how it came about, is entirely un-American. It is extreme legislation that does nothing to address the issues it professes to, but moreover, it is, as an existing law, un-American. What makes it un-American is that no one read it before they voted for it. So the process was un-American, and the motivation behind it was un-American. We cannot have a nation that is governed by fear. The Patriot Act is un-American simply because it exists.

So how do citizens address this situation since the very means of addressing it via Congress seem to have been closed off?

Congress has ceased to function as a viable tool of government. What is needed is for leaders of honor to resign in protest.

I have had this conversation with some in Congress and have asked about their thoughts on shutting down Congress and cleaning house. Their counter is that they are afraid to 'leave the crazies in control.'

They are already in control. If the people want to heal this country, the people have to purge the failing of this country. Vote them out. It might take two or three cycles, but it will happen and it will take time.

Everyone who voted for the war in Iraq should be voted out of office because it violated article six of the Constitution. Everyone who voted for the Patriot Act needs to go because they did not represent the people by voting on legislation they did not read. They have to go, regardless of party. They have through their actions decided who stays and who goes.

Hope, and worries, for the future

You suggest Americans vote out all who voted for these measures. If New Yorkers voted out Hillary, who voted for both the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq, and who is also leading the pack of the Democratic Party for the 2008 nomination, what then?

Hillary is the manifestation of all that ails the Democratic Party. She stands for nothing. She has been compromised by her voting record ... how can she stand for anything worth supporting? And yet she will be the Democratic nominee in 2008, thus guaranteeing another neocon/Republican victory. 'Dump Hillary Now' would be the smartest move Dean could make as the new Democratic National Committee Chair. ... Like I said, it might take two or three cycles, but it will happen.

What about Dean?

Dean has to be part of the process of rebuilding and that will take time. Dean cannot run for president, because Dean cannot run as a Democrat – the party is not set up to sustain someone like him. He is one of the exceptions in a corrupt party. He is also not corrupted by his voting record. He is someone who represents something, he did not vote for the war in Iraq, for example.

We talked about this current social crisis as a closed loop during the second installment. Have you ever seen a loop like this throughout the history of the U.S.? What does this mean?

The American experiment is much too complex to be destroyed by the neocons. In the end, the neocons will lose. It may take ten to twelve more years, and the costs will be horrific, but America will survive. There will be one hell of a mess to clean up, though, after the fall of the neocons.

Where do you see America, should things continue as is, five years from now?

At war, bankrupt morally and fiscally, and in great pain ... and only half-way through the nightmare. Ten to twelve years is what we will have to get through, but we will get through it.


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Wow!

Scott Ritter seems to be telling it as he sees it. When is he due on Larry King and/or Oprah? How about the O'lielly's show?

Or will he ever be?

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Scott Ritter has been telling like it is for years. Before the war, he was telling anyone who would listen that Saddam did not have any WMD. Ritter knew this was true because he personally destroyed 95% of all the WMD and dismantled all of the WMD programs in Iraq by 1995.

Of course, for his trouble he was ridiculed by the press and reviled by the bloodthirsty public. Has anyone appologized to Scott Ritter for such unwarranted treatment? Does anyone even remember that he tried to expose Bush's lies and avoid a senseless bloody war?


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Those of us that are still awake and not under the Bush spell, shoeless, remember very well Ritter trying to do everything he could to prevent the invasion.

Of course, in typical Neocon style, he was scorned by the Regressive Reds.

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Regressive Reds. What an apt name! Thanks for that one.

Ritter was all over trying to get people to listen to him. He even wrote a book with William Pitt. But--we don't have the echo chamber the rws have.

Have to admit, the man is fascinating and knows what he is talking about!


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Any updates on Scott Ritter for us?

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Catherine wrote:
Those of us that are still awake and not under the Bush spell, shoeless, remember very well Ritter trying to do everything he could to prevent the invasion.

Of course, in typical Neocon style, he was scorned by the Regressive Reds.

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Not only did they treat him with scorn...they tried to paint him as a pedophile. :shock:
There is no level too low for Rove. He's a snake.
Ritter was right before and I'm willing to bet he's right again.
I hope he has bodyguards and stays off small planes.


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Not only did they treat him with scorn...they tried to paint him as a pedophile.


Now there's the pot calling the kettle black.

Repugnants painting others as pedophiles. They wrote the damn book.

Karl Rove is lower than a snake.

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Not only did they treat him with scorn...they tried to paint him as a pedophile.


Now there's the pot calling the kettle black.

Repugnants painting others as pedophiles. They wrote the damn book. This is a case of Projection as an art form!

Karl Rove is lower than a snake.

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Scott Ritter Labeled a Pedophile
WRGB News reports today that former UN weapons inspector and vocal anti-war advocate was arrested for "engaging in a sexual discussion" and later attempting to meet with "a person who he thought was a 14-year-old girl". The case against ritter was "adjourned in contemplation of dismissal" and the record was sealed. It isn't clear why the case was adjourned or why the record was sealed. The arrest took place in June of 2001 and is just coming out now, almost two years later — just as preperations for Gulf War Redux reach a fever pitch.


The arrest was apparently based on a conversation over AOL Instant Messenger in which Ritter agreed to meet this girl he "believed was 14". Well, let's see how easy it is to entrap someone under similiar circumstances:


[14YearOld] has entered the room. [14YearOld]: hi! my name's Mandi! who are you? [Friend One]: we have no pedophiles here!!! [14YearOld]: I read your site George Paine. [GeorgePaine]: no pedophiles here! [Friend Two]: lol [GeorgePaine]: hey, George here [14YearOld]: but I'm not a kid! I'm... 16... [GeorgePaine]: lol [14YearOld]: I'm really depressed... thinking I may wanna end all this. [GeorgePaine]: Don't do that! You can get through whatever it is... [14YearOld]: I like McDonalds [GeorgePaine]: Yeah, I like McDonalds too. [14YearOld]: okay I'll stop now [14YearOld] has left the room.

It should be noted that we don't really know the circumstances surrounding Ritter's arrest. That's part of the point. The record's sealed, so he can't adequately defend himself (the point of sealing a record is to protect the accused, but if someone breaks the court's order and leaks the news...). The leaker can simply keep saying "We had evidence that he intended to perform sex acts on himself while the girl watched." It would be illegal for them to substantiate that statement. It's certainly possible that Ritter really did intend to have some kind of sexual relations with this girl. But it's also quite possible that he didn't intend to have any kind of inappropriate relationship with the girl. It's the timing and circumstances surrounding the arrest that seem very... odd...

The original arrest and case against him were seized shortly after they occured and a source within the District Attorney's office or police department has leaked news of Ritter's arrest to the press.

Why is a leading anti-war figure suddenly labeled a pedophile? That should be obvious.

The original arrest was conducted after Ritter allegedly had "sexual" conversations with a police officer posing as a young teenager. "To his knowledge, she was 14", a report says. When they arranged to meet at a Burger King the police were there in her place. Whether or not the actual entrapment was arranged for political reasons it seems likely that it was exploited for purposes of blackmail. The arrest and any proceedings against Ritter were completely sealed — but the threat was always there that someone could leak them at some point if Ritter didn't play ball.

And now that point has come. Just as Ritter is in Baghdad and about to come to New York City to shoot an anti-war television commercial this news about him breaks. Why? What discredits anyone more than accusations of pedophilia? Middle America will move to the other side of the Gulf War Redux debate just to dissassociate themselves with a known pedophile! Every word out of his mouth will be suspect!

What I'd like to know is who is directly responsible for this leak and how far up the chain of command this goes. Wouldn't it be interesting if President Bush were sitting in the Oval Office waiting for just the right moment to release Ritter's mug shot? I wouldn't put it past him. Other presidents have done worse.

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Were you posting this article in support of the defamation of Scott Ritter's character, bucky? :dontknow:

Sometimes you can make yourself more clear by commenting on the qualifications of an article as a response before you cut and paste.

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Catherine wrote:
Were you posting this article in support of the defamation of Scott Ritter's character, bucky?

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That was my question too. :?:


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Buckaroo...

Do you read the things you cut and paste?

Do you comprehend what you read?


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The original arrest was conducted after Ritter allegedly had "sexual" conversations with a police officer posing as a young teenager. "To his knowledge, she was 14", a report says. When they arranged to meet at a Burger King the police were there in her place. Whether or not the actual entrapment was arranged for political reasons it seems likely that it was exploited for purposes of blackmail. The arrest and any proceedings against Ritter were completely sealed — but the threat was always there that someone could leak them at some point if Ritter didn't play ball.

And now that point has come. Just as Ritter is in Baghdad and about to come to New York City to shoot an anti-war television commercial this news about him breaks. Why? What discredits anyone more than accusations of pedophilia? Middle America will move to the other side of the Gulf War Redux debate just to dissassociate themselves with a known pedophile! Every word out of his mouth will be suspect!

What I'd like to know is who is directly responsible for this leak and how far up the chain of command this goes. Wouldn't it be interesting if President Bush were sitting in the Oval Office waiting for just the right moment to release Ritter's mug shot? I wouldn't put it past him. Other presidents have done worse.


You better watch yourself Mr. Buckshot when you wander into those Teen sites. Someone could blackmail you.

I wonder... Was Scott Ritter ever at Bohemian Grove?

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you are defending a child molester...... :shock: what does this say about you?

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you are defending a child molester...... :shock: what does this say about you?

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