Just wondering if there is a female perspective of men and their hygene, activities, etc. that women generally find ing.

On the silly side, hygenewise, I wonder if the urinal aids in some of that.

On the serious side: The war machine is male. Porn is predominately male. A majority of crimes are committed by males.

Do males seem as effed-up as all that has and is caused by them seem?

WOW! You're going to get a lot of viewpoints on this one, CZ, at least I hope all the women (and men if they wish) will chime in. Good topic of discussion, and I've not got time to contribute my thoughts presently...but I'll post them at a later date.

Urinals are ing and I still can't figure out why they can't wrap a stall around them. Especially those bathrooms where they have them lined up down the wall....even like cubicles would be better. I couldn't use one if I was a male. I get stage fright.

On your serious side, I don't think men are all that more messed up then some of today's women. Look at Lisa Nowak, the astronaut in the diaper....or all the female teachers sleeping with their students. Just this morning there was a woman arrested after they found 4 infants dead in her home.

I certainly don't blame men for too many wrongs in this world. I'm a firm believer that behind every great man is a woman.

The only generalized thing I can say about men that grosses me out is SWEAT PANTS!!! Men, under no circumstances ever in life, should never wear sweat pants in public. They accentuate parts of the anatomy that aren't very...uhhh...picturesque in the first place.

Aside from that, I like men very much. I would have to say that grossness and annoyingness (don't you love me making up words as I go) are to be taken in to account on an individual basis.

As far as war, I have a theory on that. I think men tend to think (or not think) with their aggression, rather than reason. Take the example of my little boy (he's 6): he's lived with me his entire life and we've been alone since he was one, so his main influence is myself. Yet, when he gets angry say at his puppy, the first thing he wants to do is smack her. Rather than thinking rationally like I would do, and scold her or punish her for whatever she's done wrong, he wants to hit her (acting out aggression). Men in general (not all men), tend to think that beating someone's ass is going to make them do whatever they want, or avenge whatever wrong they have perceived, where a woman is more likely to want to talk out the problem...I don't know, that's just my two cents. I've got to cut the yard, so I'll write more later if I can remember!

Beating someone's ass may have a short term benefit for the victor, but, how many times have we seen the beaten retreat, only to come back in different ways?

If male aggression is some evolutionary hold over, then we've still got a long way to go in our evolution.

And there's something to be said about dominance and superiority to the opposite sex, as well. History shows generation after generation with some political maneuver that attempts to hold women back. Is that a social defect that is hard to breed out or what?

I don't know what I would call the defect of most human societies wanting to keep women in a submissive role. I know that women in submission is not what I would consider the "natural" order of things. If you look at the animal (including insect) world, you will see a different picture entirely.

More to say, but I've got work to do right now...I'll try to come back before the day's out and finish my thought here. GREAT topic CZ.

For me, a man is ing if he doesn't take care of his personal hygiene, such as bathing, taking proper care of his teeth, and making sure he's not smelly under his arms...oh yes, and that his feet don't stink! YUCK! I also hate those awful colognes and after-shaves some men douse themselves with before they hit the door each morning or evening.

A man is ing if he's arrogant, rude, loud, disrespectful of others, and displays a complete lack of social knowledge, such as what to do with his napkin and leaving an old baseball cap on his head during a meal in a restaurant. It's not important what restaurant it is...if he goes in to sit down at a table, he should remove his hat. Good table manners is a must! Talking with his mouth full, burping, not knowing which fork to use, and the improper use of his table knife is also ing. Dressing sloppily all the time is ing. (Yep, lefty..those sweatpants are something he should wear only at home when he's just "knocking around.")

A man is ing if he can't talk about anything other than sports or his job, his kids or grandkids, or his wife or girlfriend. A man is ing if he doesn't know when to be silent. And a man is ing if he never reads a book, never contemplates the clouds or the stars or the sunset, and thinks poetry is just for sissies.

AND a man is ing if he takes his wife or girlfriend out and spends the entire time looking at other women.

For your reading enjoyment, I thought I'd include this little story:


A man wanted to get married.

He was having trouble choosing

among three likely candidates.

He gives each woman a present of $5,000

and watches to see what they do

with the money.


The first does a total make-over.

She goes to a fancy beauty salon,

gets her hair done, new make-up

and buys several new outfits,

then dresses up very nicely for the man.

She tells him that she has done this

to be more attractive for him

because she loves him so much.




The man was impressed.




The second goes shopping to buy the man gifts.

She gets him a new set of golf clubs,

some new gizmos for his computer,

and some expensive clothes.

As she presents these gifts,

she tells him that she has spent

all the money on him

because she loves him so much


Again, the man is impressed.




The third invests the money in the stock market.

She earns several times the $5,000.

She gives him back his $5,000

and reinvests the remainder

in a joint account.

She tells him that she wants to save

for their future

because she loves him so much.




Obviously, the man was impressed.




The man thought for a long time

about what each woman had done

with the money he'd given her.




Then, he married the one with the biggest boobs.





Men are like that, you know.


There is more money being spent

on breast implants

and Viagra today

than on Alzheimer' s research.

This means that by 2040,

there should be a large elderly population

with perky boobs and huge erections

and absolutely no recollection

of what to do with either of them.

Had to cut this down a bit.

GREAT GADZOOKS.......I AM DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!

(hangs head in shame)

I KNEW I'd step on some toes when I wrote that, and I hope you won't be mad at me, but it's the way I feel. HOWEVER it's not the way I feel if a man who DOESN"T KNOW any better WANTS to correct himself, and DOES so.

Disgusting is a very strong word...I can be ed by the actions of a person I've learned to care about, and still care about him. Does that make any sense?

Great story about that man Catherine! If you come to Quebec, watch out this guy who's desperately searching for a woman to marry her! He's a comedian who speak French but with a Texan cow-boy accent so almost nobody understand what he said, especially the English speaking women's tourists! If you want to know a translation of what he said, I'll be happy to do it for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My7zNUHZSRg

I'll be sure to watch out for him, Ostie!

Back to ing men.....

HOWEVER, let me play devil's advocate for a moment. There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between men who routinely neglect their hygiene and those who let it go for short periods of time. My own husband goes into the Wyoming wilderness each winter for ten days of cross-country skiing. He's not going to get a nightly shower. He's not going to shave while he's out there, and he sure as hell isn't going to wash his clothes until he gets back home. He DOES brush his teeth, though, and combs his hair....I've seen pictures!

Should I find him ing? Nah! At least when he gets back to me, he's had one overnight stay in a nice hotel where he has access to a hot shower and SOAP before he heads back home.

I"m sure there are some ing things about us women that men can talk about....so if you want equal time, have at it.

Well if you insist CAT

Leaving a an old bloody pad right there at the top of an open garbage dispenser. And then there is the open ended ten year pass to openly behave as the ' largest and bitchiest female dinosaur on the PLANET ' I call it " The Menopause Attitude Pass "

Just off the top of my head

TuT The Understanding

p.s.-crap i should have guessed you'd be married.

What is ing are women who swear!

And what about women's purses? Almost all women carry their purses with them anywhere, my wife is not an exception. Check this out! http://kutv.com/local/local_story_141232102.html

We may be ed by what we see from anyone. Just looking and not knowing the circumstances may cause us to be opinionated too easy.

My personal opinion - Women are one cut above a male.

Man was made from dust - woman, on the other hand was made from a rib.

I love everybody and thank goodness we are all different. The differences makes life interesting. Laughter is the secret to normalacy. When we truly learn to laugh at ourselves instead of others, we can evolve into pleasant personalties.

Lol...that was the first time I have ever heard that:) Got a chuckle out of me

Each have their strength's and weaknesses. When we are able to make up for each others weaknesses and re enforce the strengths is when we can really shine as human beings:)