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Democrats who voted yes.

Altmire
Barrow
Bean
Boren
Boswell
Boyd (FL)
Carney
Chandler
Cooper
Costa
Cramer
Cuellar
Davis (AL)
Davis, Lincoln
Donnelly
Edwards
Ellsworth
Etheridge
Gordon
Herseth Sandlin
Higgins
Hill
Lampson
Lipinski
Marshall
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Mitchell
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Rodriguez
Ross
Salazar
Shuler
Snyder
Space
Tanner
Taylor
Walz (MN)
Wilson (OH)
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***Blue Dog Coalition***

Mike Arcuri, New York
Joe Baca, California
John Barrow, Georgia
Melissa Bean, Illinois
Marion Berry, Arkansas
Sanford Bishop, Georgia
Dan Boren, Oklahoma
Leonard Boswell, Iowa
Allen Boyd, Florida
Dennis Cardoza, California
Christopher Carney, Pennsylvania
Ben Chandler, Kentucky
Jim Cooper, Tennessee
Jim Costa, California
Bud Cramer, Alabama
Lincoln Davis, Tennessee
Joe Donnelly, Indiana
Brad Ellsworth, Indiana
Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona
Kirsten Gillibrand, New York
Bart Gordon, Tennessee
Jane Harman, California
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, South Dakota
Baron Hill, Indiana
Tim Holden, Pennsylvania
Steve Isreal, New York
Nick Lampson, Texas
Tim Mahoney, Florida
Jim Marshall, Georgia
Jim Matheson, Utah
Mike McIntyre, North Carolina
Charlie Melancon, Louisiana
Mike Michaud, Maine
Dennis Moore, Kansas
Patrick Murphy, Pennsylvania
Collin Peterson, Minnesota
Earl Pomeroy, North Dakota
Mike Ross, Arkansas
John Salazar, Colorado
Loretta Sanchez, California
Adam Schiff, California
David Scott, Georgia
Heath Schuler, North Carolina
Zack Space, Ohio
John Tanner, Tennessee
Gene Taylor, Mississippi
Mike Thompson, California
Charlie Wilson, Ohio
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As for Hitler, he wasn't the brightest person in the world. The Russians wanted to team up with him, but he wanted the 'purity' of the German race to remain untouched. Hitler didn't believe in sharing the spoils of war either. Imagine what would have happened if he had been a more strategic thinker.

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Helen Thomas take on this: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081207D.shtml

President Bush has the Democrats' number on Capitol Hill. All he has to do is play the fear card and invoke the war on terror and they will cave.

What's more, the president has found out that he can break the law and the rubber stamp Democratic Congress will give him a pass every time.

The fear of being branded "soft on terrorism" was enough to make the Democrats capitulate once again to the Bush administration's demands. Or was it simply a looming vacation and beckoning campaign travel that led them to desert the nation's capital after giving the National Security Agency the power to expand its eavesdropping program without a warrant.


But Helen, it wasn't 'the Democrats' it was the Blue Dogs. Blue Dogs are yesterday's Republicans.

And meanwhile Bush and his followers are smirking because they have found a dividing issue--their target all along was to divide the Dems.

Nothing like having your cake and eating it too, eh?

Another good article: How the Fight for Vast New Spying Powers Was Won

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I truly love peace, not war.

Everybody wins in peace and all lose in war.

But, I for one - will be a first to go to the front of the line to protect my freedoms - my family and my birthright.

The old days have proven to be quite sucessful. But when is enough - enough??

Everyone needs to ask themselves - just what can I do - then get off their rumps and start someplace.

I write my letters - I make my phone calls. Usually with no results.

Letters to the editorials never get published. I surmise the stupid reporters DO NOT like reading truths or is it because they are afraid they will be fired if they try to alert the public? Take your choice. How many still subscribe and fatten the coffers of the Republican Propogandists?

At least start somewhere - don't let them walk you to the ovens without trying something.


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My dear, you may have just composed our epitat. If the Dems can't stand up to these crooks then they are either cowards or they are crooks too. How are we expected to stop it and by what means available do they expect us to use if they are powerless to move? You've got the moxie we need and I'm certain that it will be left up to us older people to stand up and face their billies and bullets, as the rest of the country seems too fixated on sticking their heads up their collective asses in their duck and cover hiding from reality. We will be the only ones who will remember why we did fight for freedom and that those hard fought for freedoms were not merely concessions given us for good performance, just to be taken away when the time comes around to it. They have got the youth preaching their message and they have all strayed from the path of purpose and meaning of this country.

All those sacrifices in their wars for resources- we took their bullshit and we helped them keep their nest egg, just to take it all away when they feel ready to do so? I don't think so!!!

We have to be the ones, because everyone else is too busy trying to figure out how to get their shoulders to fit in behind their heads. The deeper they go the less they care. It will be left up to us to carry the torch again!

Programming, what can we do to wake them up? We gotta get up stand up, and start knocking heads together. No more does letter writing become our first line of defense. We know what we have to do, it's just a question of getting up and doing it.

Join a 911 group in your town, promote the candidate that nearest suits your realities, get out to meetings and call these people on their treachery. Whatever you can do to help- donate if you can't participate- these groups need money- organize fundrives to raise the money to get exposure- hang banners on freeways, make every 11th a protest day and especially get out on 911! and call meetings at your homes.

Do it because we have no other choice. No one else is going to do it for us.

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