Realize this, that in the last days - difficult times will come.
For men will be lovers of money,boastful, arrogant dissobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of good, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power. always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

If anyone has watched television, read a newspaper, lost a retirement to corporate greed and corruption, or just walked outside their front door, how can they deny not seeing any of the above tributes to some they have encountered (strangers or family members)? It is obvious that many of these prophecies have been fulfilled by our genertation. Our leaders are often corrupt. Our cities are filled with crime, brutality and neon signs proclaimimg our sinful, godless natures.

The New Age Movement brings in increasing #'s of mystics who claim to be the enlightened ones. They are some of the most educated and influential people on our societies, and yet the most lacking in real truth.

Thats very odd as every dictionary I read has a definition like this:

But if thats the definition you want to use, thats ok. But I dont that thats what most people think when they hear empirical. So you may want to always clarify that when you use the word.

I wouldnt be so sure. Attacking someone else's ideas doesnt necessairly mean that you even disagree. One can always play devils advocate.

However, since im an atheist i obviously dont find most argument for god persuasive, but without arguing how can I ever find one that is? (and vice verse for theists)

I found that definition on the first try; right click in Word to lookup. I might suggest that you suffer from myopia and need to broaden your thinking.

This is a religion and philosophy forum. Words used here will tend to be used with philosophical meanings not scientific ones. So I will NOT be clarifying obvious philosophical terms but suggest your own ignorance was at fault.

See:
Daniel 12:4

Matt.24:5-7,14

l Timothy 4:1-3

ll Timothy 3:1-5, 7

Numbers 19:2-7 Born in Israel March 2002

Ezekiel 34:13 fulfilled in 1948.
In 1948 - 630,000 Arabs left Israel

Zephaniah 3: 10-11 Return of Ethiopian Jews to Israel.
1984- Operation Moses- 15,000 from Sudan
1991-Operation Solomon- 20,000 from Ethiopia
June 1999 last 3000 Quara Jews from Northeastern Ethiopia

Rev. 9: 16 200,000,000 man Army- China's army reached that in the 60's

I sure haven't been around for a thousand years but I still believe.

Life is a gamble - Why take chances? I don't try to hurt anyone in any way and I hesitate to speak a lot of times because of the possibility I may be wrong. But I agree with you on your saying administering medicine to a dead man. LOL

NYGG - You seem to be the one not willing to listen to anything anyone has to say.

You answer questions with questions.

You are so convinced you have the correct answers to everything that it is utterly useless wasting your time with anyone.

May God grant you always .....
A sunbeam to warm you, a moonbeam to charm you,
A sheltering Angel so nothing can harm you.
Laughter to cheer you.
Faithful friends near you.
And if and whenever you pray.
Heaven to hear you.

An Irish Blessing not a religious prayer.

PEACE