Yes GG there is a joy to be felt here, but not for the reasons you think. We care about dee ann and wish to help her, as she cares for us and wishes to share what works for her. Makes for some amusing interplay that belies the seriousness of what we have to do to get through this lifetime. Sure is funny though.


Hmmm- well I don't think we said that- seems you said it. Are you afraid of things actually being this way? None of us are perfect here, that's why we are here on earth- to figure out what is wrong here inside and on the earth as well. And it all comes back to the self and how it feels about itself. If you feel as your quote states, then I understand why you are stubborn.

Again, if you refuse to do the reading and become informed then stay ignorant of what has been discovered. It's your choice and being an older person I know that old dogs can learn new tricks. My dog is 13 years old and every day he thinks a new game up to play with me, and it's mostly about gaining power. Stubborness is resistance intended to reacquire power in a powerless situation. Just act belligerant and eventually people tire of you. Works every time, Right?

Such stubbornness leaves me wondering what are you on about? You really need to locate why you're being so stubborn. I bet it's not what you think it is. Perhaps you've even forgotten what was important to you and replaced it with something that makes sense to you. Too bad it has only made you stubborn and more judgemental, which is so typical to what is wrong with this world. Thank gaia we aren't under theocratic domination. If one were to think rationally they would be burned at the stake or drowned or tortured or reindoctrinated like history has shown happens when religions dominate cultures, rather than living with your spirituality. It is another way for the weak to gain power- that is all. Religion gives the person the idea that they're right no matter what, because of some secret belief, is so pointless when you have the power within you to answer all your questions and doubts.

Don't look to external forces to guide your inner compass and don't take things personally. There is a big world out there with real problems to deal with- and depending on some god to get even for you takes your power away from you and transfers into some form of divine justice that will get even for you. You should learn to turn your other cheek if you think you're so right, or don't you practice what you preach? Do you actually form your own opinion or do you just get angry and search for your crutches?

Oh and lefty, thanks for the site. I'm sure I read this before or have been on this site. I have faith in the fact that I have been here before. But until I know it for sure, I'm merely exercising my limited memory and witness techniques. But I guarantee that I have been here before! (maybe)

This bears repeating with appropriate underlines-


Finally a prayer of understanding from the wisdom of the world, outside christian domain, as the only source of truth-



Don't get so caught up in yourself so much that you think it all matters to only you and is coming only to you. See from the center how these things from outside are affecting and influencing your decisions about life and yourself and how they interrelate. Don't become self centered as if all you think is all that matters. Observe life from the circles point of view and grow to understand you are your own best friend and worst enemy. Only then can you see the strength in all sides of the circle! Only then can you open up and tell the truth!

Sharing and caring are what is missing from this world, and believe it or not, we do care about you and we aren't being mean. It is just your interpretation of words written that is making you angry, because of your stubbornness you can't see that. Please open your heart and mind to our message. We haven't made this up and we haven't arrived at these decisions because we think people are stupid- we know that people are conditioned and led to believe things that they cannot control or comprehend, but why make some grand mystery out of it and say that that is the truth! Life isn't about reading stories and calling them true, it is a quest and we are all pilgrims here trying to progress and sort out the whirreled problems that have been given to us as truth. I find that there is something wrong with given truths, they are based on other peoples opinions, and so are to be cast aside and questioned. Nothing comes for free, you have to work for it fight for it and then understand what it is you're fighting to know. The fight never ends because the mystery remains.

If you can't question and think for yourself then give us your worn out quotes and adages from whatever source of truth you use as proof of your veracity. Don't expect us to find truth in it though because we have knowledge of what motivates people to believe and trust in imaginary things- it replaces their non existant imagination that has been taken from them as a young person. remember back when you were an open slate? What have you filled your hopes and fears with?

Good luck, It could take years for people to grow from their arrested development but we all need to question our realities that we shape. Like artists or sculptors, is it a good work or is it full of shit, have we seen all we can or is there something we're missing? That is the challenge of choice- don't be afraid of choice or change or making mistakes. That is really what life is about and that is how we grow.

I have read that Buddhist evangelists from the Far East were very active in the Mid East during that period. This accounts for the striking simlarities between Christian and Buddhist philosophy. In fact, some historians believe early Christian writings even contained references to reincarnation, which were systematically removed by the Church over the centuries.

Remember the three wise men, and where they came from.

Matthew 2:1-12

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

Your first example is from the old testiment. Yesterdays are stairsteps to today and we should remember the lessons we learned to become better people. The old testiment has been fulfilled but we need it for refrerence to remember some thing our small brains are unable to recall.

Your reference to Luke is New Testiment - yet to be fulfilled in its entirety.Yes, Christ says when you are struck on one cheek - turn the other - if our other cheek is struck he doesn't tell us what to do. Maybe he thinks we will do the right thing for all concerned.
Sometimes it takes a big person to walk away from a fight. Eh?


He also says if a man takes you to court for any reason give him your cloak also. Could the good Lord only want to warn us and call our attention to things that will be coming down the pike, to maybe allow us to think about how to avoid some situations or at least prepare us for the inevitable? Since he is all knowing I rather think he is trying to warn us to prepare ourselves.

To gain the wisdom and knowledge I seek, I must not only study my Bible, it requires a lot of cross referencing, so I need the whole Bible to be as sure as I am able, that my interpertation is the correct one for me.

There's no point trying to wake you up is there. Perhaps old age has overcome your ability to reason any longer.

Sorry about your dementia. My mother had that and a touch of schizphrenia, but she never claimed to hear god talking to her, so I guess the temporal lobe epilepsy wasn't very severe in her, just a mild excitement over her obsessions, especially about the bible.

Way to ignore all we speak about. Not much point arguing with stubbornness is there. It will win the day, just like Bush does. Like Bush, you ignore all the facts and stick to your little faith. I don't expect anyone takes you very seriously anymore because as they ignore you, you just get louder and more stubborn. Such childishness needs to be disciplined. No wonder you rely on a god to keep you in line. Left on your own you're uncontrollable.

Too bad, I thought you wanted to finally learn something in this lifetime, but once again human nature prevails. Good luck trying to convince people you're not just angry and afraid- but I see your truth for what it is- getting even for personal injustices. That is why you live within the bibles pages and can't get your mind into the real world.

Pretend worlds are so much more fun, but oh so easy to manipulate to suit your needs, aren't they.

The two examples (an eye for an eye and turn the other cheek) found in your bible are contradictory and completely incompatable. If you indeed use the whole bible, these philosophies are irreconcilable, and thus prove the so-called "word of god" is not infallible. You must choose, as one of these philosophies is necessarily wrong. Either your god is confused, or he is playing mind games with us mere mortals.



"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad." -Euripides

Heres an article from a reporter for the Guardian and his experience as a religious reporter in England-
http://newhumanist.org.uk/1630


Wow, the things one learns when one pays attention to the grass roots- what people believe!! Makes for a great read to see why he quit and is ed with what it means to be a christian these days.

As we all know- there are not all bad people in these organs but there seems to be a higher percentage that belong in limbo and enjoy that fate as it was eventually sorted out as irrelevant as well.



When the spinning stops the whirrled can only pray that they stop spinning and lose their dizziness. Perhaps if they exorcise their beliefs and abort their faiths they will help to end their dizziness and finally see the world for what it really is- spinning slowly but surely.

Why make it spin faster- it's dizzying enough as it is already!

Here's something that really "spins the whirr!"

WHERE WAS THE "HAND OF GOD" TO PROTECT HIS OWN?

By Stardust