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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:40 am 
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THE WORLD WAS A SAFER PLACE BEFORE GEORGE BUSH

In Tikrit, Saddam's memory lives on in watches

TIKRIT, Iraq (Reuters) - Five years after the fall of Saddam Hussein, his memory lives on through wrist watches as people in his home town and birth village seek reminders of a time of safety, jobs and cheap living.

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Perhaps....but his human rights record was even worse than Bush's.

Better than Bremer's however. Bremer let Iraqi cities go months without electricity or water. I think his coterie enjoyed that.

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A REMINDER!

Buried 60 minutes interview

Remember O'Neil? Remember how he decided to "come out" about Bushco after he'd written his book? While this youtube video serves as a reminder of how Bush went into office foaming at the mouth to invade Iraq, it's also a reminder that O'Neil himself was a coward for at least three years while he worked for Bushco.

As one person at the Smirking Chimp said in a comment:
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"Thanks for reminding us of this although the text at the end is a joke and so is Ron Paul. This vid needs to be re-aired considering it is the 5th anniversary. Everything was planned from day one."

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No one responsible for the current world mess cared about Saddam or his human rights record and I find that any allusion to this is an insult to my intelligence.

Another thing to consider: A lust for power and wealth has a negative impact upon wisdom.

For over 50 years the CIA and their counterparts throughout the world have gone from one stuff up to the next: Noriega, Marcos, Saddam, the Shah of Iran, Suharto... And the result? FAILURE...

To anyone not blinded by the lust for power could predict that terrorism - resistance by any means available - was predictable if Western nations put their hands on land, resources and cultures that don't belong to them.

Well gee... We marched into Iraq, destroyed their infrastructure, dismantled their army and law enforcement, and killed a million of them and they and all those who would use this against us are upset... Only, the profoundly stupid would be suprised.

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Well gee... We marched into Iraq, destroyed their infrastructure, dismantled their army and law enforcement, and killed a million of them and they and all those who would use this against us are upset... Only, the profoundly stupid would be suprised.


Unfortunately, they aren't surprised; they just don't give a damn. As long, as it wasn't their sons and daughters dying or even killing, all they cared about was the profit.

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Okay, they didn't care... Did they think they would get away with it? Don't they know that the more oppression they will need to win the harder we and the entire world will fight them? ***

I'm a Second World War buff and I understand Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union - the man was insane. However, the most insane move throughout the war was the attack on Pearl Harbour. America was cutting off Japan's Oil but Japan had much of China occupied and the smartest thing would have been for them to have stopped advancing until other opportunities arose.

Admiral Yamamoto argued this point but his protests were ignored by the Generals in Tokyo. The Admiral's point was that even if they smashed America's pacific fleet they did not have the population to put into the uniforms they'd need to conquer and occupy the USA.

Yamamoto was well aware of the households in America that have guns and knew that the attack on Pearl would lead to the USA coming into the war and to Japan's defeat. This wasn't a possibility or a probability but a certainty since the USA would have to suffer a TOTAL defeat.

The more you think about it, the more you wonder what was wrong with their heads. They would have to fight street to street across the entire nation leaving battle hardened troops in every suburb of every city and in every town and there just isn't that many Japanese.

A lot has been written about this and the 'samurai' thinking of Tojo and the Army elite in Tokyo. What has been established is that their fanaticism blinded them to the consideration of failure - they just didn't consider it.

The same stupidity was in the USA military during the Cuban missile crisis and throughout the cold war. They honestly believed that there could be a winner in an all-out nuclear war between the USA and the USSR. Some of the assertions and beliefs of this time defied logic and any semblance of logic.

Of course, things went wrong when Kennedy was shot. Americans should have taken to the streets and demanded that all records be made public and that those on the Warren Commission be made accountable. To be told that all records on Oswald would be sealed for 75 years was a slap in the face of democracy and a clear message to the world that the USA had a two tiered justice system.

In the end, any country or system that can't be criticised is in a state of decay and the same insanity as shown by the Japanese war planners and the Cold War Generals is alive and well in Washington today.

***Edited by lefty on 3/25/08 due to rule #2 in the TVNL guidelines, which can be found here.

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DJWolf wrote:
Okay, they didn't care... Did they think they would get away with it? Don't they know that the more oppression they will need to win the harder we and the entire world will fight them?


The evidence is they did indeed KNOW they would and do get away with it. Darth Cheney's recent, "So?," when asked about two thirds of the American public wanting out of Iraq is prima-faca evidence of this. This Vice President has articles of impeachment introduced against him in the House of Representatives and knows they have a snowball's chance in Hell of doing anything.

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We live in a world of personification. Bush and Cheney knew that no matter what happened their time in the White House would end and they could retire or join a group or a cause like the Carlyle group. But, essentially their role would be taken over by the new team. So, who is really in power? And, is it reasonable to assume that a new president and congress have the power that the public believes they have?

It doesn't make sense to go to Iraq, put in all that effort and bad press to get pulled out by the next presidential team unless they really have found a way to rig USA elections in a foolproof manner.

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Bush & Cheney could appear in the Superbowl drinking the blood of Christian babies. Their bosses (central bankers) do not care.

1) Their profits have improved handsomely. With 5 trillion* dollars relatively unaccounted for, it is safe to say that the coffers of the Bank of Is*el are bulging nicely.

2) They have either destroyed or promise to destroy their eternal enemies....Muslims.

3) Their police/incarceration nation project is doing extremely well.

4) The Middle East is now awash in Haliburton pipelines taking the oil that the blood of our military secured to the destinations desired by the Rockefeller coterie. Hence, the eternal smirk on Cheneys face.


Now all they would seem to have to do is let loose with another false flag operation for "100 years McSame" to take off where the Bushbarians left off.


*2 trillion from the pentagon | 3 trillion from the Iraq war that Bush declared victory in back in spring of 2003.

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Bush & Cheney could appear in the Superbowl drinking the blood of Christian babies. Their bosses (central bankers) do not care.


*2 trillion from the pentagon | 3 trillion from the Iraq war that Bush declared victory in back in spring of 2003.


So, who will you vote for in the general election?

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Purple tang, I don't know if that is right. The USA military is approaching exhaustion with the spending that is happening. As for Israel, they have become less secure. And, then there's the Saudis.

As religions go, and I'm not a believer, Islam is not that much different than Judaism or Christianity. The problem is that in many regions where Islam spread, the people are poorly educated and easily coerced.

Most Muslims around the globe are more interested in feeding their families and worrying about their daughter's upcoming wedding and the so called 'militant terrorists' and Jihadists were viewed as common criminals in their own neighborhoods.

What 'dumb and dumber' have achieved in their 'war on terror' is to alert the average Muslim who was minding his own business and to turn him into a Jihardist sympathiser.

I admit that I'm still trying to make sense of all this and as for the middle-east piplines, in any escalation, they will be the first to go.

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hmmmmmm...........interesting thread.

where to begin.............

............i'll start with the effectiveness that the clinton administration had in keeping hussien under wraps in iraq by use of the north/south no fly zones over iraq. everytime an iraqi fighter jet or scud missle ventured into prohibited airspace it was destroyed.

then there was the time that military ops had credible intel on bin ladens hideout and the discussion about whether to hit it with a cruise missle was dissed by republicans in congress who bitched about wasting the cost of an expensive missle being used.

under clinton we definitely were safer and hade a much more effective worldwide nonhegemonic strategy.

the military campaign in bosnia during clintons post is a clear example of the effectiveness of the strategy on how to use one of our most precious and heroic resources.........our troops. very few if any casualties as i remember.

plus we actually had allies and freinds/leaders of other nations who actually respected our nation.

the bushicons have since done nothing but waste/obliterate most or all of the respect we used to have before bush was sworn in.

safer now?..................no frickin way.

or as the asshole cheney would say..............


.................SOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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