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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:35 am 
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In the House.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml

Oh, the shame of it all...

My adopted Representative voted NO. My actual Representative voted YES. That is why I have an adopted Representative!

How did you do?

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My adopted Representative voted NO. My actual Representative voted YES. That is why I have an adopted Representative!

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I did the same as you. My adopted Rep is John Hall from New York. He actually sent an email to all of us adopters letting us know he voted no and why. My regular congress critter feels no need to explain, since sycophants never is reason to question their masters' voices.

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FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 437
(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 6304 YEA-AND-NAY 20-Jun-2008 12:48 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: FISA Amendments Act of 2008


Yeas Nays PRES NV
Democratic 105 128 3
Republican 188 1 10
Independent
TOTALS 293 129 13




---- YEAS 293 ---

Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Arcuri
Baca
Bachmann
Bachus
Baird
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bean
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehner
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boozman
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boustany
Boyd (FL)
Boyda (KS)
Brady (TX)
Broun (GA)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Buchanan
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Butterfield
Buyer
Calvert
Camp (MI)
Campbell (CA)
Cantor
Capito
Cardoza
Carney
Carter
Castle
Castor
Cazayoux
Chabot
Chandler
Childers
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coble
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Cooper
Costa
Cramer
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Cuellar
Culberson
Davis (AL)
Davis (KY)
Davis, David
Davis, Lincoln
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Donnelly
Doolittle
Drake
Dreier
Duncan
Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Ellsworth
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
English (PA)
Etheridge
Everett
Fallin
Feeney
Ferguson
Flake
Forbes
Fortenberry
Fossella
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Giffords
Gillibrand
Gingrey
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Granger
Graves
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Gutierrez
Hall (TX)
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Heller
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth Sandlin
Higgins
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoekstra
Holden
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Inglis (SC)
Issa
Johnson, Sam
Jordan
Kanjorski
Keller
Kildee
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Klein (FL)
Kline (MN)
Knollenberg
Kuhl (NY)
LaHood
Lamborn
Lampson
Langevin
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lowey
Lucas
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Mahoney (FL)
Manzullo
Marchant
Marshall
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCarthy (NY)
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McCrery
McHenry
McHugh
McIntyre
McKeon
McMorris Rodgers
McNerney
Meeks (NY)
Melancon
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Mitchell
Moore (KS)
Moran (KS)
Murphy, Patrick
Murphy, Tim
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Neugebauer
Nunes
Ortiz
Pearce
Pelosi
Pence
Perlmutter
Peterson (MN)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Pomeroy
Porter
Price (GA)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Reyes
Richardson
Rodriguez
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Royce
Ruppersberger
Ryan (WI)
Salazar
Sali
Saxton
Scalise
Schiff
Schmidt
Scott (GA)
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Sestak
Shadegg
Shays
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuler
Shuster
Simpson
Sires
Skelton
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Souder
Space
Spratt
Stearns
Stupak
Sullivan
Tancredo
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor
Terry
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Turner
Udall (CO)
Upton
Walberg
Walden (OR)
Walsh (NY)
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Westmoreland
Whitfield (KY)
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (OH)
Wilson (SC)
Wittman (VA)
Wolf
Yarmuth
Young (AK)
Young (FL)



---- NAYS 129 ---

Abercrombie
Allen
Andrews
Baldwin
Becerra
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Capps
Capuano
Carnahan
Carson
Clarke
Clay
Cohen
Conyers
Costello
Courtney
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Eshoo
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Foster
Frank (MA)
Gonzalez
Grijalva
Hall (NY)
Hare
Hill
Hinchey
Hirono
Hodes
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kagen
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kilpatrick
Kucinich
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lynch
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Matsui
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McNulty
Meek (FL)
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Price (NC)
Rangel
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ryan (OH)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schwartz
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Shea-Porter
Slaughter
Solis
Speier
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Tierney
Towns
Tsongas
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch (VT)
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu



---- NOT VOTING 13 ---

Brown-Waite, Ginny
Cannon
Gilchrest
Gohmert
Jones (NC)
Paul
Peterson (PA)
Reynolds
Rush
Stark
Tiahrt
Visclosky
Weller


NOT GOOD! HEATH SHULER VOTED YES! Well, I will defintely have to reconsider whether I vote for him again in November. :evil: MURTHA voted YES, too...what's with him?

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One brave R, Johnson of Illinois, voted 'NO' with the Dems.

The Dems voted 105 'YES' and 128 'NO' with 3 not voting. Thank you to the 128 Dems and one R who got it right.

We have to flood the Senate now with our calls. I did that with the war call for Hillary but she voted for giving war powers to the President anyway. It is important to try though, our Congresscritters need to hear from us!

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WHAT IS A BUSH DOG DEMOCRAT?

BUSH DEMOCRATS

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Excellent sources Catherine!

I have been mumbling about Blue Dog Dems because they screw up the vote so often, but this is far better. Great information!

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[url=http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Feingold_praises_delay_on_wiretap_vote?OTC-widget]Feingold praises delay on wiretap vote

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Opponents of a bill that would expand the president's surveillance powers have succeeded in delaying a vote on the measure, ensuring that Senators have the Independence Day recess to ponder their positions on what critics say is a move to gut the Constitution. The Senate has delayed a vote on updating FISA until July 8.

It bothers me that Obama seems to be in support of this bill! :evil:

But I sure can relate to this person's viewpoint in the COMMENTS section of the link:

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When I was in Jr High school in the late 50's we all used to ridicule and hold as bad the "Russians" one of many reasons was that their horrible government spied on them. Opened their mail, listened in on phone calls..if they had phones, Ha Ha Ha... made lists of their friends/associates etc.

We've been letting fear and security madness 'Russianize' America into a near-police state. USA has just about become USSA
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That is a great quote! I will keep it on my notepad. USSA. That about sums up what is happening.

Feingold has it right. Block the vote if it is going to do even more damage to our Constitutional rights. We can add that to the 80 filibusters the Rs have had so far blocking everything and anything they can. At least one filibuster will have meaning then.

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[url=http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20080707_daniel_ellsbergs_guide_to_fisa/]Daniel Ellsberg’s Guide to FISA
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What’s the big deal about the new FISA “compromise”? Simply put, it legitimizes warrantless spying on Americans while papering over one of George W. Bush’s worst abuses. Daniel Ellsberg would like your help in stopping it, provided you can set aside 60 seconds of your Monday.

Daniel Ellsberg on the AntiWar.com Blog:

Find below how you can make a real impact in less than 60 seconds. Every person counts—the Senators who will vote are watching the numbers. 41 Senators can block the bill, and it’s not too late.

Please do the following: How I ask you to spend 60 seconds

1. ALL AMERICANS: Go to the EFF website here and put in your zipcode to find your Senator’s phone number. Call them and read the short script on the same page. If no answer, click the link at the bottom of the page to e-mail them.

(Tell others verbally to go to “www.eff.org” and click “take action")

2. OBAMA SUPPORTERS: Go to My.BarackObama.com here and join the group requesting he oppose (as he did earlier) the amendment. This takes about 30 seconds. I suggest changing “ListServ” in the bottom right to “Do not receive e-mails.” (Tell others verbally to search “obama please vote no” on Google and My.BarackObama.com will be in the top 3 results, currently #1)

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/07/ ... e-tuesday/

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Looks like a good list of 293 rascals to toss out.

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How Dare They Rip the Fourth Amendment?
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by: Joseph L. Galloway, McClatchy Newspapers

Somewhere across an ocean and a desert, hiding in his cave, a man of hate named Osama bin Laden is laughing up the sleeve of his dirty robe at the thought that he and a small handful of fellow fanatics could tie a great nation in knots - knots of fear stoked by our own leaders.

We have done incalculably more and greater damage to ourselves since September 11, 2001, than a thousand bin Ladens and ten thousand al Qaida recruits could ever have done to us.

Franklin D. Roosevelt famously declared that "we have nothing to fear but fear itself." Now it would seem that we have no one to fear but ourselves and our leaders.

The questions I pose are these:

How can even one senator on either side of the aisle in good conscience vote in favor of this law that does nothing to enhance our security and everything to diminish our rights as a free people?

How can both men who seek to become our next president cast such a vote when both should be standing shoulder-to-shoulder declaring that they would govern by our consent and with our approval, not by wielding the coercive and corrosive and corrupt powers that King George III and his latter-day namesake from Texas thought are theirs by divine right?


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[url=http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Spying-Started-Before--by-Dave-Johnson-080707-67.html]
The Spying Started Before September 11 -- That's The Whole Point

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In the LA Times today, A Good-Enough Spy Law says,

In the aftermath of Sept. 11, the White House directed telecommunications carriers to cooperate with its efforts to bolster intelligence gathering and surveillance -- the administration's effort to do a better job of "connecting the dots" to prevent terrorist attacks.
No, it started a few weeks after Bush took office -- a time when the Bush administration was ignoring the terrorist threat. So it was about something else, and was a high enough priority to plan out during the transition. (Can you say "political spying?")



One telecom company, Qwest, refused because it was flat-out illegal. The Bush administration punished them, blocked federal contracts, and in an early indicator of what was to come from the politicized Bush Justice Department, they prosecuted Qwest's CEO on trumped-up charges.

The combination of the telecoms letting Bush illegally spy on us BEFORE September 11, and the politicized Bush Justice Department punishing the company that refused -- refused because it was illegal -- is the reason so many of us are so adamant that Democrats should not be passing a law giving these companies immunity. The president can't spy on people without warrants, and the telecoms knew that. They knew it was illegal to spy on us without warrants but they went along with it. Why? Why didn't they ask the Bush administration to just get warrants? And why would Democrats vote to let them off the hook?

Don't forget that Watergate was about Republicans illegally wiretapping Democrats. Don 't think they don't do it.

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Bush’s Christmas in July: Senate Passes FISA

You know a legislative compromise is one-sided when the AP headline announcing its passage reads “Senate Bows to Bush.” Democratic advocates of the new FISA bill, passed by the Senate on Wednesday, are still trying to explain what they got in exchange for rolling back a few civil liberties and burying some of the president’s abuses. When they figure it out, someone, somewhere, will surely be listening.

Barack Obama took Keith Olbermann’s advice and was one of a minority of senators who voted to strip telecom immunity, but he ultimately voted for the bill.

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Though I harbor deep suspicions about globalist tendancies that Obama may cave into, I am forced to admit that he almost had to vote this way to avoid being shoved aside as weak on security and siding with the terrorists.

Don't think the neoGOP slime and attack machine would hesitate to pounce on any possible exploitation of Obama's stance on national security.

Security is all they have. Fear is their only card.

Especially after a coincidentally timed cover of US News and World Report with the screaming headline: "Who Can Keep us Safe?" McCain is looking very resolute and Obama is looking quite....young.

The power elite purchased or obtained control of US News and World Report in my guesstiamation. I almost cancelled when I seen the exploitation of the fear card.

I want protection from the Bushbarian assault on our freedom, liberties, rights, and privacy.

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Ex-NYT correspondent: FISA update is 'giant step toward fascism'

For more than 20 years, Chris Hedges reported from around the globe as a foreign correspondent for the New York Times and other outlets, working from countries with little to no respect for a free and independent press, where his phone was bugged and he was trailed by government agents to prevent dissidents and whistle-blowers from speaking to him.

Now, with the adoption of a sweeping new surveillance law, the United States may become one of those countries, Hedges says.

Hedges is one of more than a dozen plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the US government brought by the American Civil Liberties Union that seeks to scuttle an update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act signed by President Bush Thursday. The ACLU says the FISA update allows the government to engage in massive, unconstitutional dragnet surveillance of Americans' phone calls and e-mails with anyone abroad.

During a conference call Thursday, Hedges recounted his work in foreign countries like the former Yugoslavia and El Salvador where his phone was bugged and government agents regularly followed him to prevent critics from speaking out. Now the same thing is beginning to happen here, he said.

"I have little doubt the passing of this FISA law essentially brings that type of surveillance system and the effectiveness of that system to the United States," he said.


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"Hitler himself clearly described the possibility of destroying the Constitution legally in famous "oath of legality" at Leipzig Reichwehr trial in 1930, when he declared with impunity before the court:

'The Constitution prescribes only the arena of the struggle; it does not specity the goal. We shall enter the legitimate organizations and in this way make our party the decisive factor. Once we possess the constitutional rights to do so, we shall, of course, cast the state in the mold that we consider the right one.'

Even better is Goebbels:

'We are entering the Reichstag to supply ourselves, in that arsenal fo democracy, with democracy's own weapons. We become Reichstag deputies in order to paralize the spirit of Weimar with its own aid. If democracy is so STUPID as to pay our transportation and daily expenses for these 'services' of ours, that is its own affair...We come as enemies! As the wolf breaks into the sheepfold, so we come...'

The Obama argument is no different than Hindenburg's exulting at having "engaged" Hitler. And Papen in defense declared: "What more do you want? I have Hindenburg's trust. Inless that two months we will have pushed Hitler so far into a corner that he'll be squeaking."

It will be Obama that will be doing the squeaking before the day is over.

From The Nationalis Socialist Seizure of Power. This is German historian Karl Deitrich Bracher's review for the post war german parties addressing the question of "How did we end up with Hitler?" It is a good model to compare with this administrations seizure of power. For example instead of the German President appointing Hitler as Vice Chancellor the US Supreme Court appointed Bush.
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Hedges, Klein Join The Nation, ACLU in FISA Lawsuit

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