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 Post subject: Ten Steps To Close Down an Open Society
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:18 pm 
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Ten Steps To Close Down an Open Society - Using old tactics for new age
war on democracy


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Frightening. We are there.

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The calculus that all dictators employ to aggregate power: "Invoke an external and internal threat; develop the paramilitary force; create a secret prison system; surveil ordinary citizens; arbitrarily detain and released them; harass citizens' groups; target writers, entertainers, and other key individuals for dissenting; intimidate the press; recast dissent as "treason" and criticism as "espionage"; and eventually subvert the rule of law."


"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II



"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has 'closed', the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. AND I AM CAESAR." --Julius Caesar


"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
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PT, I have just put your quotes into the quotes to remember thread. Hope you don't mind.

http://tvnewslies.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=44214#44214

Sadie, it is unbelievable what seven years can do!

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It's always been there to be used and most of what Bush has used was done by various presidents before to varying degrees and secretly as well. It is their ace up their sleeves they pull out when required.

I don't think we are privy to all they know and as such we shouldn't assume that one leader or another wouldn't use these tactics, guaranteed in the constitution, to be used when necessary.

Calling one leader worse than another when the policy is easy to implement and a written conditional to the bill of rights, would be like blaming Ron Paul of being a potential dictator while we have leaders and other potential leaders who would do this very thing anyway. it all makes for wonderful rhetoric but is mere semantics about and around the real problem- that this is permitted by the constitution in the first place.

You can check out other instances in the past that are living examples of various war measures and security heightening throughout your history. Until the constitution is updated and holes like that are plugged, it is a threat to happen.

This is what is wrong with Ron Pauls candidacy- that he espouses a return to constitutional government whereby such things as slavery are still mentioned. To return to those days is constitutionally guaranteed as well and so the reform of the constitution can't be a nit-picking affair but a general overhaul and strengthening of the things that work and better scrutiny and explanation on those items that have been used and abused.

Other than that, they, being potential leaders, are all potential dictators as well. All of them. Always have been, always will be, until extreme presidential executive powers are contained by binding articles of conduct that are easier and quickly implemented. Bad leaders have to be held accountable by the people, for the people and of the people.

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If you live in Green Bay, WI, you will be asked to provide a fingerprint if you get a traffic citation:



[url=http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?s=2776926]Police Begin Fingerprinting on Traffic Stops
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If you're ticketed by Green Bay police, you'll get more than a fine. You'll get fingerprinted, too. It's a new way police are cracking down on crime.

If you're caught speeding or playing your music too loud, or other crimes for which you might receive a citation, Green Bay police officers will ask for your drivers license and your finger. You'll be fingerprinted right there on the spot. The fingerprint appears right next to the amount of the fine.

Police say it's meant to protect you -- in case the person they're citing isn't who they claim to be. But not everyone is sold on that explanation.


More at the link.

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This whole idea should get the finger.

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Next thing we will be hearing- "Papers please!"

Unless they get the verichip going soon, then it's just a wave of the magic wand and all is known about you. It's not that far off now and a very realistic possibility. We live in a police state- always have- just weren't aware or willing enough to state the obvious.

It was a great illusion they fed us though, what with all that "freedom and liberty" talk they repeated endlessly at us. Oh but best delusion of all was "pursuing our happiness" while we were sold down the drain- laughiing all the way Ho Ho- as we spiral into the sewers! :lol:

The things people believe when told something often enough and loud enough. :roll:

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Watchdog: Bush turning intelligence agencies on Americans

President Bush seems to be slowly turning the nation's massive surveillance apparatus upon its citizens, and some worry that administration assurances to protect civil liberties are nothing but empty promises.

With his update to a decades-old executive order governing the Intelligence Community, Bush is giving the Director of National Intelligence and the 16 agencies of the US Intelligence Community more power to access and share sensitive information on Americans with little to no independent oversight. The update to Executive Order 12333, first issued by former President Ronald Reagan, introduces a more prominent role for the Attorney General in approving intelligence gathering methods, calls for collaboration with local law enforcement agencies, eases limits on how information can be shared and urges cooperation between the IC and private companies.

"This Intelligence Community that was built to deal with foreign threats is now being slowly and incrementally turned inward," says Mike German, policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, in an interview with RAW STORY.

Bush's latest update of a decades old executive order governing intelligence activities is a "lit fuse" that could end with the Constitution's immolation, another ACLU official says.

"This kind of concentrated power, exercised in secret, is a lit fuse with our Constitution likely in danger of being burned,” said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU Washington legislative office.

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The Bushbarians are just seeing how god awful terrible an administration can be. In every respect. Imagineable.

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Most do not realize it. But we are living in a Police State. :roll:

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A police state that is one "disaster" and a hasty signature from martial law.

I wonder if Bush ever leaves home without his martial law pen? I believe that the Bu$hbarian$ would like to get one last fatal kick in the head to the writhing corpse of American freedom.

Amazing that those who gained the most (power elite) from the our capitalist engine most want to dismantle it. Until you realize that will make them KINGS...in every respect. Enforced by martial law.

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Blowing Off Treason


Ron Suskind's new book reports that in 2003, the White House ordered the CIA to forge a letter to "prove" that Iraq had a hand in 9/11 and that Saddam was buying yellowcake uranium from Niger for his WMD program with the help of Al Qaeda.

When this came up on MSNBC, moderator Chuck Todd asked Politico's Mike Allen whether this would lead "the anti-war crowd" in Congress to call for impeachment. Allen replied that it would "give the lefty blogosphere something to grab onto."

And so, in less time than it takes to say "Dick Cheney,"
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080806/cm_huffpost/117104]the subject is changed from what would be one of the most outrageous violations of the Constitution in the history of the Republic to a left/right issue. Instead of taking a breath to consider the merits and consequences of Suskind's charges, MSNBC's It's-Always-Super-Tuesday-Over-Here reframing machine instantly transforms a shocking allegation about the abuse of power into a piece of political football, a tactic, an occasion for the players in the grand political theater that cable news says Washington really is to assume their designated roles, like a Punch and Judy show.
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Another link: NEW EVIDENCE SUGGESTS RON SUSKIND IS RIGHT!

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IT'S ALSO CONGRESS ON IMPEACHMENT!

INFO ON RON SUSKIND'S BOOK CAN BE FOUND HERE

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CIA director George Tenet (left) meets with
President George W. Bush and
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in the Oval Office on March 20, 2003.

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 Post subject: OLBERMANN: BUSH CREATING 'EMBRYONIC POLICE STATE'
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MSNBC: Bush creating 'embryonic police state'

"Now that the Democrats were nice enough to fold up on FISA," MSNBC's Keith Olbermann said, "the issue is all contained now. Right? Not exactly."

The Justice Department has proposed changes to police intelligence-gathering rules that would ease the transfer of information about citizens to federal intelligence agencies, who would then keep the information for at least 10 years. The changes, the first since 1993, were introduced for public comment on July 31.

Under the proposed changes, law enforcement agencies would be allowed to target groups and individuals on the basis of suspicion of participation in terrorist acts or providing material support to terrorists. Former FBI agent and American Civil Liberties Union policy counsel Michael German, however, told the Washington Post that the proposed changes could lead to abuse of constitutional rights by law enforcement agencies, citing cases where police have eavesdropped on political dissenters and infiltrated their ranks.

"It turns police officers into spies on behalf of the federal government," German said. "If police officers no longer see themselves as engaged in protecting their communities from criminals and instead as domestic intelligence agents working on behalf of the CIA, they will be encouraged to collect more information."

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