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 Post subject: 8 BABY INCUBATOR: PINNICLE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY & STUPIDITY?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:09 am 
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What do TVNL members think of the litter of 8 babies born to a woman who already had 6? For my part, I am in firm agreement with the comments made at this LINK


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 Post subject: Re: 8 BABY INCUBATOR: PINNICLE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY & STUPIDITY?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:16 pm 
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THIS IS ONE SICK WOMAN!

Octuplets’ mother wants Oprah to turn her into a $2m TV star

THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.

Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.

Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

Her family has told agents she needs cash from deals such as nappy sponsorship — she will get through 250 a week in the next few months — and the agents will gauge public reaction to her story.

Her earning power, though, could be diminished by a growing ethical and medical controversy. Experts believe that the unnamed fertility specialists who gave her in vitro fertilisation (IVF) should not have implanted so many embryos, and in choosing to carry all eight to term, Suleman ignored guidelines, risking both their health and her own.

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 Post subject: Re: 8 BABY INCUBATOR: PINNICLE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY & STUPIDITY?
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Lol, I just sitting here shaking my head. I dont even know what to say....well....other than uttering a few curses while I'm shaking my head.

Simply amazing......and NOT in a good way. :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: 8 BABY INCUBATOR: PINNICLE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY & STUPIDITY?
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Eight Is (More Than) Enough

By Ellen Goodman



Maybe we owe an apology to the doctors who made the birth announcement with such pride and excitement. The delivery of eight babies in five minutes was, they exhaled, “amazing.” The mom was “incredibly courageous.” All in all it was a “very exciting day,” a feat for which the 46-member medical team at the California hospital expected kudos and high-fives.

But instead of smiles, they saw jaws drop. Attention turned from the doctors to the mom, from her courage to her judgment, from the medical success of this delivery team to the ethical failures of fertility treatment.

It turned out that Nadya Suleman already had six kids at home. The Suleman Fourteen don’t have a father, they have a sperm donor. They were apparently all conceived by in vitro fertilization, with the last eight presumably implanted en masse. For good measure, their mother doesn’t have a job. And her family recently filed for bankruptcy.

Before she left the hospital, before the babies left intensive care, the whole country had gone from “gee whiz” to “are you kidding?” Everything that we don’t really want to talk about in terms of pregnancy and child rearing—marital status, money, individual choice, responsibility and technology—had converged in the shouting and blogging over Nadya Suleman’s womb mates.

Does anyone have a right to tell anyone else how many kids to have? Can only people who can afford them bear children? Do you need a husband to have a baby? These are questions that make us feel queasy when we are talking about old-fashioned families. But they take on a new flavor in the unregulated wild west of fertility technology.

Need we review exactly what’s happened since Baby Louise came out of a petri dish and reproduction became a family business? We now have tens of thousands of healthy children born every year through fertility drugs and IVF to delighted families.

Fertility doctors don’t say no—nor should they—to single or gay patients or those who already have children. Doctors do not do home visits or psychological evaluations or socio-economic profiles on patients who want children. At most, doctors do what bioethicist Arthur Caplan calls “a wallet biopsy” to see if they can pay the bill.

We are far more rigorous about accepting people for adoption or foster care than for fertility treatments. But shouldn’t there be limits?

Suleman’s mother now famously describes her daughter as “obsessed with children,” and wishes that she’d chosen to be a kindergarten teacher. But it turns out that you can have six children and still be treated for “infertility.” And, here we get to the heart of this case, it turns out there are no laws in this country limiting the number of embryos that can be implanted in one womb.

As bioethicist Lori Andrews says, “Women’s bodies are not large enough to hold a litter.” If, as we are told so far, Nadya Suleman was implanted with eight embryos left over from her earlier treatments, it is something akin to malpractice. If she wanted all eight implanted knowing she would refuse to terminate any, it’s close to mal-mothering.

The reason why we haven’t seen Nadya’s fertility doctor on “Larry King Live” (yet) is that it’s against all guidelines to implant more than one or two embryos in a woman under 35. [Suleman is 33 years old.] Given our experience with the extraordinary high risk of multiple pregnancies for mothers and babies, anyone who endangers patients ought to lose their license.

This is more than an individual decision. Suleman’s babies weighed between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. They will cost at least $1 million in neonatal care and more if they have the typical range of disabilities for premature babies. The meter is running at the neonatal unit.

I wish these eight little people well. I tip my hat to the delivery team for dealing with an octuplet of problems it didn’t create. If Suleman’s brand new publicist succeeds in selling her as a “smart,” “joyful” mother with a “wonderful sense of humor” who is grateful “for the miracle of life,” maybe this mother will be able to roll her degree in child development into a reality program that supports them all.

But right now, a reproductive business that generates so much controversy has produced a remarkable consensus. Infertility treatment for an unemployed, single mother of six? Eight embryos in one womb? There must be a proper word in the medical literature to describe this achievement. I think the word is nuts.

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 Post subject: Re: 8 BABY INCUBATOR: PINNICLE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY & STUPIDITY?
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for me, it's the hieght of carelessness.

one question...........what type of quality of life is to be expected/provided for all 14 siblings?

my gut tells me it was done nothing more than for publicity.

i truely fear for the childrens welfare.

i have one child...........a son. i am eternally gratefull that i am able to provide for his care at this stage of my life.

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If you want to email the medical clinic or the doctor that did the implanting, it's info@westcoastinfertility.com or Dr. Michael Kamravam, dr_k@westcoastinfertility.com

She's being handled for PR by this group: the Killeen Furtney Group. :roll:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/0 ... 65142.html

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