CE!! GR8 Post as usual!!
First of all I have absolutely no doubt, that your approach to politics well let's just say, is more polished than mine. I have never claimed to have any formal education in history or politics. And as stated before, I'd be an utter fool to lie about it. (I"m a terrible liar, really I am, I'm just plain shitty at it.) I try to be right (um correct) in what I say. But almost all the time, it comes from my heart, other than a "history lesson" point of view. Because as stated before, I don't consider myself a liar. Can my story or post be adjust, corrected or challenged? Why I hope so!! However, I try to view all the posts here, as more of a "knee jerk," or heart felt opinion, other than anything else. I like it this way. Why, because over the short time I've been here, I've been around people like you, and others who clearly have a more "polished approach" to history and politics than I do. As a result, slowly but surely, I pick up extra names of Congressman, Senators, House Bills, etc. and start to get myself up to speed a little bit. It encourages me to look a little further and yes, maybe sometimes, post a "killer story," that people here may like.
Thanks for your patience I know. (yawn)
So I'll try, to make sense of some of your well organizaed comments here. Most will be straight from the heart, with none of the "pretty stationary," that comes with it. I simply don't operate this way...sorry!!
...your comments below
I have friends, family, and acquaintances who run down both sides of the isle. It is so funny in a sad sort of way. All of these people are kind, loving, caring, among other quality's of humanity that we look up to and admire. For the most part I can have sane conversations with them regarding their choice of support and though they may disagree, at least they hear me out and often times they actually do agree with my assessment. I have friends, family, and acquaintances who run down both sides of the isle. It is so funny in a sad sort of way. All of these people are kind, loving, caring, among other quality's of humanity that we look up to and admire. For the most part I can have sane conversations with them regarding their choice of support and though they may disagree, at least they hear me out and often times they actually do agree with my assessment. They just feel that they do not have a choice. In this they are right, as stated, the game is rigged.
***I have friends, family, and acquaintances who run down both sides of the isle. It is so funny in a sad sort of way. All of these people are kind, loving, caring, among other quality's of humanity that we look up to and admire. For the most part I can have sane conversations with them regarding their choice of support and though they may disagree, at least they hear me out and often times they actually do agree with my assessment. They just feel that they do not have a choice. In this they are right, as stated, the game is rigged.
As I was reading this CE, I had a sense that you were talking to these people, then you kinda turned into a reporter, and started to be on the outside, looking in.
***I have friends, family, and acquaintances who run down both sides of the isle.
*** For the most part I can have sane conversations with them regarding their choice of support and though they may disagree, at least they hear me out and often times they actually do agree with my assessment. (from outside)
***They just feel that they do not have a choice. In this they are right, as stated, the game is rigged. (inside)
No big deal I guess. But if I was actually having a conversation with them, I would at least, try to find out the specifics, as to why they feel they have no choice.
By no means, am I getting sarcastic with you. I save this for "troll fishing." One main reason, is the "no choice" you mentioned. Usually, when I talk to someone about no choice, I usually feel I may be getting into the why's, where's of it all. It usually comes with politicians names or reasons, why one feels this way. This to me, is inside talk.
In addition, and naturally, my own opinion, I look at "no choice," as a much lesser catastrophe, than "no hope." I, in my own life, have either created another choice by dissent, and more on the lines of being a "sweaky wheel bastard," than anything else.
In addition, I have simply used the "no choice mode," to really fuck up the overall dynamics, of one's own personal gain as well!!
I also, look at "no choice,: as still a viable option for dissent. People will rally around "no choice." I personally, would drink turpentine, before telling a 'left winged woman," that she has no choice, when it comes to carrying out her pregnancy or not.
OH, HELP ME JESUS!!
However, there's one condition, that has me concerned. And that's "no hope." To me anyway, no hope, is more of a general, or "outside looking in" approach. It's usually accompanied, by a fair amount of lies, bullshit, propaganda and an "industrial strength brainwashing." This is a laugh/cry situation for me. Going troll fishing is a blast. I don't drink anymore, and I'm too poor to go to jail. So I make due, to what I have readily available. However these little MF's aren't to stupid (yet) to know how to vote. And this may turn out to be my "personal acheillies heel." (go away spellcheck)
The reason is the magnitude. Remember, one small ounce of fact, brings down a "right wing army." So we're not talking quality here, just "utter magnitude." A magnitude of propaganda, to feed the magnitudes of asswipes in this country, that are liars, racists, religious bigots and pedophiles. So you can easily see, that's it's potency is weak, but the numbers are HUGE!! This is how they operate. Leading by example, is the furthest thing, from these corporate bastard's minds!!
No choice to me anyway, seems more of a personal, one to one inside kind of an experience, than no hope. I also, feel as if I have some options to no choice, as opposed to no hope as well.
***Yet get these two groups together and get them talking about politics together and immediately I can see the lines being drawn. No more sane conversations, no more civility. Its as if all of the traits I saw that caused me to respect them in the first place disappeared. It is so horrible to witness people turning into such ugliness, it breaks my heart.
The results of corporate brain washing to me. I'm a democrat. However, if one comes to me, and says they are a Republican, I personally feel anyway, no line in the sand at all. I'm perfectly comfortable with my views.
However, and I think this is your approach to this, is the less politically educated or even more so, the "Faux F***s," who will react to a democrat, just because Bill, "I'm too bigoted to be a box cutter" O'Reilly says so. Fuck em.' They just saved you a shitload of time!!
***I unfortunately do not see this happening until something so tragic happens that we have no choice but to forget our differences and come together purely for survival.
Respectfully disagree with you on this one my friend!!
Any kind of another 911, will yield the same result. "Worlwide Imperialism." Tragedies like these, serve just a few purposes...
2)Marginalizing the american public
4)Stripping of our civil liberties.
5) and war...oops, already mentioned that, didn't I
There's no democracy or a republic, developed over a major tragedy, such as 911, or it's cousins. Only control from utter lunatics!!
***Forget the left, right differences. Show me the truth as you see it.
The " truth," as I see it, is based on a more of a "majority level," than anything else CE. Politically, the "truth," simply states an acceptance from it's people, within it's democracy. As in a thought, and idea or a philosophy based on facts.
Which leads me in to the difference. Facts are conclusions, usually based on extensive research. "911 Truth movement." I imagine, one of their motivations for truth, was to convince the majority of the masses, that 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!! (and it was) Do the majority of the masses think it was. No. Even though the majority of the masses, think the 911 (O)mission report, had more holes in it than a sponge!!
However, their truth is a statement, a belief or their philosophy, based on FACTS!!
In a court of law, it's perjury, if you don't tell the truth and I totally agree. But in order for the unfortunate bastard to be hung and dry for perjury, the prosecutor, will have to unveil the facts, through ample research. So truth to me, is a belief, based on the masses, or a certain majority. That's why I can easily distinguish, between "the truth," or "mob rules." No direction and most of the time, no majority either.
***I agree, BUT, what I see is the government backed multi national, corporate military, industrial, banking elite continue to wage wars around the globe, continue to steal through covert and overt operations things that in reality can not belong to them through anything other than force, the continued exploitation rape, murder, pillaging, and outright destruction of both the people and the land of this little blue marble we call earth.
And I as well...
***yet my view is of a Utopian society that will never happen. At least not in my lifetime.
Mine either I'm afraid.
In closing, may I say this. I think, for the most part, people are after the common good. They want to raise a family, go to college and play a responsible role in society. I really try, to take on the responsibility, to connect with the other side of the "political fence," the best way I can. Commons a commonn purpose, comes a sense of respect for each other.This is why, I hate corporate dictatorship. It's puts a "carrot on a stick mentality," to the uneducated public. "Common good," doesn't require a lot of political educating. People want to connect with other people. I really believe this. However, it's the manipulation of the public, through their "industrialized irresponsibility," that turns normal everyday thinking individuals, into "political monsters."
On the other side of the fence, I wish there were more Ron Pauls, Alex Jones or Scott Ritters. not necessarily because I would support them politically. It's because I can "connect" with them, far more easier, than the "asswiped trolls."
We got a monster here folks. All of us, from both sides of the fence and in between, have to bring out the common good of humanity. We simply, do not have the time, to "nit pick" over certain issues. I'd love to see a mixed White House. However, mixed, is completely different from "misfits." I try to take the major issues, and focus on that, for the time being. For example Ron Paul, wants to end these wars, and audit the Federal Reserve. Big pluses for me. I'm fully aware of his take on universal health care and other issues. However, at least I feel that they represent (more) of the people of the U.S, than these bastards, already in our congress today. I also, feel that I can talk to them, instead of at them. And these kind of people aren't hard to find. Unfortunately, they are too few in numbers, to actually make a positive difference, as of right now!!
nO'bama on the other hand, who is a democrat(?), is NOT, moving this country forward at all!! He's simply a "corporate drone," geared to fire a "shot across he bow," for any american, seeking a real democracy.
I'm perfectly grounded as a democrat. However, I also know the dangers of "globalized imperialism" as well.