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 Post subject: DON'T WORRY, THE WORLD ISN'T COMING TO AN END
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:13 pm 
Ten facts about global warming
THEY don’t want you to know


Britain is one degree Celsius cooler now than it was at the time of the Domesday book.
Greenland got its name from the verdant pastures that attracted the Norse settlers under Eric the Red in 986. They carried on their normal way of life (based on cattle, grain, hay and herring) for 300 years until the Little Ice Age, when they were driven off by the encroaching ice and the Inuit took over. The ice and the Inuit are still there.
Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas. In the atmosphere there is over a hundred times the concentration of water vapour, which is the dominant greenhouse gas.
Without the Greenhouse Effect there would be no life on Earth.
Temperature measurements by satellite, radio sonde balloons and well maintained rural surface stations in the West show no significant warming.
The only evidence of significant warming comes from mainly non-western stations that are probably ill maintained and are contaminated by the Urban Heat Island Effect.
Computer models of the climate are worthless, as they are based on many assumptions about interactions between climate factors that are still unknown to science. They are generally unstable and chaotic, giving a wide variety of answers depending on the input assumptions.
The Kyoto agreement would have a devastating effect on the world economy but, since carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, an undetectable effect on the climate.
The IPCC (the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has been the main engine for promoting the global warming scare. It has become notorious for its corrupt practices of doctoring its reports and executive summaries, after they have been approved by the participating scientists, to conform to its political objectives
The really big lie about man-made global warming is that almost all scientists accept it. More than 4,000 scientists from 106 countries, including 72 Nobel prize winners, signed the Heidelberg Appeal (1992), calling for a rational scientific approach to environmental problems. Many senior scientists have also supported The Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming (1992), The Leipzig Declaration (1997) and finally the Oregon Petition (1998) which received the signatures of over 19,000 scientists.


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SEPP

Still waiting for greenhouse

CO2 Science

Philip Stott

Warwick Hughes

Oregon Petition Project

Global warming: a closer look at the numbers.

Sorry, wrong number!

When it was really hot!

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http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/ten_facts_ ... arming.htm

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Here's another one. Enjoy!


On June 13, USA Today declared that “The debate’s over: Globe is Warming.” That’s another headline you can ignore. The world has been warming ever since the last Ice Age, but it is not rapidly warming in ways that threaten our existence, nor warming in a way that requires the industrialized nations to drastically cut back on their use of energy to avoid the many scenarios of catastrophe the Greens have been peddling since the 1980’s.

Global warming is a classic scare campaign initiated by the Greens after a previous effort in the 1970s to influence public policy by declaring a coming Ice Age failed to generate any response. What we are seeing now is yet another worldwide coordinated campaign by the Greens to rescue the global warming theory from the junk heap to which it should be consigned.

In early June, the National Resources Defense Council, one of the large Green organizations, declared that, “Global warming is fast becoming the number one environmental problem of our time.” It has organized an Internet campaign led by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Sen. John McCain, and other so-called environmental leaders to drum up the fears of people who know little of the real science of the Earth in order to force the US to implement the United Nations Kyoto protocol on “climate control.”

The NRDC declared, “The world’s leading scientists now agree that global warming is real and is happening right now. According to their forecasts, extreme changes in climate could produce a future in which erratic and chaotic weather, melting ice caps and rising sea levels usher in an era of drought, crop failure, famine, flood and mass extinctions.” Scary, eh? One huge volcanic eruption could this. As to the weather, it is the very definition of chaos and has been for billions of years.

The good news is that leading climatologists and meteorologists are actively debunking this nonsense. One of them, Dr. F. Fred Singer, president of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, is in the forefront. He debunks a June 7 statement issued by several national academies of sciences just before Britain’s Tony Blair arrived for talks with President Bush, saying, “The Statement simply regurgitates the contentious conclusions of the (UN) International Panel on Climate Change report of 2001, which has been disputed by credible scientists. The so-called scientific consensus is pure fiction.”

Among the data he cites is the fact that, “Since 1940, there has been a 35-year-long cooling trend and not much warming in the past quarter-century, according to global data from weather satellites.” Moreover, “an extrapolation of the satellite data gives at most a fraction of a degree rise for the 2lst century,” adding that, “The IPCC further claims that the 20th century was the warmest in the past 100 years, but this myth is based on a seriously flawed publication. The IPCC also claims that sea levels will rise by up to nearly a meter by 2100; but every indication is that they will continue to rise inexorably and much less, as they have for nearly 20,000 years since the peak of the last Ice Age.”

Bear in mind that the IPCC is a creation of the United Nations and we have all seen how corrupt that institution has become, failing to fulfill its mandate for a more peaceful world while seeking to become a world government that would destroy the sovereignty of the United States and all other nations.

Other scientists have joined Dr. Singer to dispute the global warming claims. Paul Knappenberger of the University of Virginia, says of the claims made by the science academies that, “What is missing is the scientific assessment of the potential threat. Without a threat assessment, a simple scientific finding on its own doesn’t warrant any change of action, no matter how scientifically groundbreaking it might be.” What passes for a threat assessment is simply the claims being made. Knappenberger noted, “The fact of the matter is that there does exist a growing body of scientific evidence that the climate changes in the coming decades will be modest and proceed at a rate that will lie somewhere near the low end of the IPCC projected temperature range.”

Here’s what you must keep in mind; the IPCC claims are based on what virtually every scientist knows to be seriously flawed computer models for its projections. In short, we are being asked to believe what computer engineers are telling us, not what credible climatologists and meteorologists are telling us. There isn’t a computer model for the world’s weather that can reliably predict the future by more than a week at best. This is why tracking the routes of hurricanes proves so difficult. This is why blizzards often turn out to be better or worse than initial projections.

Iain Murray, another scientist, laid into the statement of the national academies for having committed the sin of advocacy. “Climate alarmists in the scientific community now face a long retreat, while the victory of President Bush’s position on the issue seems assured. Even the hopes of European intervention are dashed.” The US Senate unanimously rejected signing the Kyoto protocol many years ago. “Rational nations will not take action if the costs of the action outweigh the benefits,” said Murray of the protocol’s demand for energy caps on emissions while exempting nations like China and India, each with more than a billion people.

Meanwhile, in Congress we have people like Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), the ranking member of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, seeking to introduce legislation that would put “caps” on emissions of greenhouse gases and implementing what is essentially the Kyoto protocol that the Senate rejected long ago. The US Department of Energy has estimated that a cap-and-trade program such as Bingaman proposes would cost $331 billion in lost GDP between 2010 and 2025. Other Senators like McCain and Lieberman have similar strategies.

There is no scientific consensus. There is only the manipulation of public opinion and the effort to influence public policy. There is no rapid global warming and no way that any limits on energy use could have any effect on it if it did exist. Global warming is a classic scare campaign and we may well be witnessing its last desperate gasps as more and more scientists step forward to debunk it.



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Shane is about as good as bucky was at posting credible sources.

AND we all know what that means. :P

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they come and they go.....visiting what "they" consider as "liberal forums" must be a training ground for them, or perhaps even a test to challenge their resolves....

as always, they end up the same...gone...licking their wounds.

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now, if that don't top all...LOL...quoting enviromental issues from Capitalism Magazine...i almost fell on the floor with laughter when i saw that as a source of information!!

you have to love these kids when they fly by here, but we should feel honoured that they come here and attempt to test themselves against the "evil liberal empire".

it was getting a little boring tho...it's always nice to have someone like this stop in.....still laughing tho. :)


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Right! I was telling Eva how much fun it was when these flying monkeys show up, do their dance, preen for the cameras, and then lose the contest. Especially when we all come together to use our substantial contacts to check out where they're coming from. :twisted:

Capitalism mag...yep...a real hoot! :lol: :lol:

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well, gees, why didn't he just come out and say that dick cheney says there is no global warming so therefore it's all been lies by the left wing commie anti american scientists who have been studying gobal warming for years.

after all, if dik cheney says it's false, what other source could possibly be more turthful and accurate?


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So, no comment whatsoever on the ISSUES brought up in these two references. And, imagine, a group (CapMag) that actually SOLICITS donations from private individuals/groups instead of taking our tax dollars through Fed or State Grants. What about all those THOUSANDS of scientists that disagree w/global warming theory and the hasty course of action thats being pursued? What about the many FACTS presented in my posts? You saw the evil word capitalist (whats wrong with free markets, or do you prefer un-free markets?), and everything else in the posts became irrelevant. You DO realize that global warming is an unproven THEORY (you know what a theory is, don't you?) and NOT a scientific FACT, don't you? And, I came on this message board because the site's name" TVNewsLIES" implied a site visited by people looking for news outside the mainstream, people looking for TRUTH. Global warming theory, if you hadn't noticed, is heavily promoted by the mainstream media--as a fact-- DESPITE serious opposition to it by MANY knowledgable sources. Instead, I guess this is just another Bush Bashing site, with 'liberal' people who can come on here and pat themselves on the back for their PC-ness and ability to check in the box next to the "D" on election day. I just can't understand how people can be so blind and biased, even when hit square in the face by FACTS.


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didn't you just say in another thread you were "wasting your time here"? and that you were going to leave? obviously not a person of their word...typical of the right wing.


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Typical of all rightwingnuts... When are they ever going to learn that just because you can find something on the web, doesn't mean it's true... CREDIBLE sources shame7... got any?

But... speaking of global warming... anybody notice the southwest lately? Hottest July ever... Phoenix just had it's 6th straight day of 115 degrees or up... Tucson is closing in on their all time record of 100 degree days... damn that's hot...

BUT according to shame7, global warming isn't happening... poah shame7... has his head firmly shoved up his keister...

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but shame is right about one thing... the world will continue on... long after we're gone... it's what condition it's condition will be that we don't know...

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You saw the evil word capitalist (whats wrong with free markets, or do you prefer un-free markets?), and everything else in the posts became irrelevant.


More Corporate Libertarian slight of hand. You must be Un-Sane and Un-logical.

Capitalism is not dependent on "free markets". This is a word game played by the plutocrats you represent, confusing Free Market Capitalism with Freedom. They are not the same thing.

To you plutocrat corporate apologists laws are too restricting. Laws are for the unwashed masses that supply your labor.

You fail to see the connection between empirical truth and the truth that corporate sponsored research buys. They are by no means equal. When you post facts and research that are done independent of corporate interests come back and post them.

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global warming isn't happening......

yet, the pentagon has been drawing up plans to deal with forcasted future incidents that they anticipate to happen around the world.

as oceans rise, some coastal countries will have no option but to move into neighboring countries. needless to say, the impact of adding countless thousands to countries is expected to cause civil unrest.

addtionally, they expect many countries' food chains to be interrupted as well. as the need to feed people grows greater, this too will cause war-like conditions.

but, i'm sure the pentagon is just wasting time and energy dwelling on something that isn't happening.

World Bank, Pentagon: Global Warming Red Alert
Weather of Mass Destruction Bigger Threat Than Terrorism


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The Pentagon Sounds The Alarm On Global Warming; Why Isn't President Bush Listening?

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CLIMATE COLLAPSE
The Pentagon's Weather Nightmare


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need more? i can post another 100 links........


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post away... we who do NOT have our head up our keister, which I'm happy to say is the majority of those that post here save for one or four wingnuts, can use all the links you have... so mga, post away...

just don't expect a logical reply from shame7...

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